Would you pay to use this forum?

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JeffinNZ posted this 28 February 2023

The CBA is looking at different sources of generating revenue.

Feedback welcome.

 

POLL NOT FUNCTIONING.  REMOVED.

Cheers from New Zealand

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Aaron posted this 28 February 2023

I believe we do already pay with our membership fee in the CBA. Isn't this one of the benefits of membership?

The poll above doesn't seem to be taking votes. At least I can't seem to get the vote option to work.

Suggestions:

Membership levels allowing multiple levels of sponsorship with "features". (management nightmare however)

Raffles for gift cards at starline, midway, roto metals, free trip to NZ, etc

 

 

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Waleone posted this 28 February 2023

Maybe a fee for those who are not CBA Members?

Wayne

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porthos posted this 28 February 2023

i am a CBA member. would not pay more for this site. Castboolits site has much much more info and knowledge available; with no fee. however, i do donate.

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Bud Hyett posted this 28 February 2023

NO!!

This website is an advertisement for our organization. The CBA needs to be proactive for membership. This is one of our faces to the shooting public.

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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Waleone posted this 28 February 2023

Bud,

My thought is it may convince non-member users of the forum to join the CBA. A 5 year membership with the magazine delivered electronically comes out to only $15/year and then they would also have the benefit of the getting the magazine. Non-members would quickly find out they will learn more from the magazine than they would by just using the forum.

I encourage all non-member users of this forum to visit https://castbulletassoc.org/fouling-shot and read the free Fouling Shot magazine sample available there.

Wayne

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foesgth posted this 28 February 2023

Perhaps there needs to be some sections that require CBA membership to access.  I feel I do pay with my CBA membership.

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JeffinNZ posted this 28 February 2023

The poll above doesn't seem to be taking votes. At least I can't seem to get the vote option to work.

 

 

The poll functions correctly. Check either YES or NO and hit SUBMIT.

Cheers from New Zealand

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Fitzpatrick posted this 28 February 2023

NO , I am a member but when the so-called primer shortage came about our member started talking about  how to reload primers and make their own supply's when the one's in charge decided that topic was too dangerous for us reloaders and shut the thread down , that when I started looking elsewhere and did find a better source of info now only visit this forum on occasion and usually find very little comment,  just my rant I have been wanting to get out for sometime now   

Thanks James

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Shuz posted this 28 February 2023

I can't see where to "hit" submit....anyway my answer is NO

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MarkinEllensburg posted this 28 February 2023

89 views, one vote...I don't see a voting option either.

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foesgth posted this 28 February 2023

Well, I walked the dog and thought about this.  Have you considered just putting a donate button on the site header?  Then maybe once a year run a donation drive?  Just do the drive at a "smart" time...not before Christmas as an example.  

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Aaron posted this 28 February 2023

 

The poll functions correctly. Check either YES or NO and hit SUBMIT.

Jeff, not seeing either the results of the vote or a way to vote. Tried Firefox and Microsoft Edge on Laptop (Windows 10), iPhone with Firefox, DuckDuckGo, and iPhone Safari. There is nothing to select and there is no Submit button.

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Shopdog posted this 28 February 2023

Write in vote,haha

Yes

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Sevenfan posted this 01 March 2023

Tried to vote, nothing happens, no submit button. Anyway, my vote is no, thought this forum was included with my dues.

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alphabrass posted this 01 March 2023

Not for paying CBA members.

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Aaron posted this 01 March 2023

I would up the digital subscription price to $30/year and the paper price to $40/year. I would make membership required to use the forum.

We are not in competition with other cast bullet sites. They are chocked full with irrelevant topics, armchair experts, and mouthy opinionated "know-it-all" users who dominate topics with their opinionated rhetoric and shout down other users.

The users on this forum are generally older, experienced, and calm bullet casters who can assist other users with questions without resorting to digital bullying and shout downs.

I left other forums for this very reason when I was "asked" to leave for pointing out that a "Japchester" was an inappropriate term to use. My sister-in-law is Japanese and I know they don't particularly like that pejorative term. Since they (the other site admin) determined that term was appropriate, I used Whopvolver to describe a firearm and was informed that THAT was inappropriate and racist....and that I should leave the forum which I gladly did. Point made.

Bottom line is that this forum is used by mature, level headed bullet casters who are respectful to each other and, as I have experienced, very helpful and gracious to each other. This forum is an oasis. Our leaves may be falling off - but still an oasis.

So I suggest giving the forum a makeover with more (and current) photos, updating information like the Copyright notice from 2016 to 2023, making CBA membership a requirement to use the forum, and bring the CBA membership fee up a tad. Yes I hear some of you grumbling but you will survive. You probably drink at least $30 of booze a month or smoke that in a week.

Membership credits can be offered for those who submit articles to TFS which are published. There is a thought! I'll bet you get a lot more articles submitted and you won't have to publish my drivel any longer.

OK......fire away! I can take it.

 

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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alphabrass posted this 01 March 2023

I find that the CBA forum one of the few places on the internet where courtesy is common.  The Fouling Shot is a very nice publication.  The volunteers who keep it going shouldn't have to worry about funding on top of all of the other things they do for us.

I'm willing to pay a higher membership fee to keep the association going.

alphabrass

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tomme boy posted this 02 March 2023

Start taking on ads like everyone else does. I will not pay to use a forum. There are way too many forums out there that have more info than just this one and are free. Plus the software this forum uses needs to be more inline with the way the forum is laid out to be more user friendly. The way it is now just drives people off to other forum. 

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Wm Cook posted this 02 March 2023

My thought is it may convince non-member users of the forum to join the CBA. A 5 year membership with the magazine delivered electronically comes out to only $15/year and then they would also have the benefit of the getting the magazine. Non-members would quickly find out they will learn more from the magazine than just the forum.

Wayne, the average person strolling by will not be able to pull the data together to make that connection.  You're giving drive by viewers more credit than they deserve.

I would up the digital subscription price to $30/year and the paper price to $40/year. I would make membership required to use the forum.  We are not in competition with other cast bullet sites. They are chocked full with irrelevant topics, armchair experts, and mouthy opinionated "know-it-all" users who dominate topics with their opinionated rhetoric and shout down other users.

Aaron I think you are right on.  One in ten on the boolit site actually contributes and when those few do it is spot on helpful.  Case in point is Larry's responses.  But six out of ten pontificate on what they have read not from real life experiences.  The remaining three of the ten pitch one liners that that are at best pointless, at worse rude.  Our CBA forum manager does great job of keeping the snipers away from posting on this site.  I appreciate that.  

So I suggest giving the forum a makeover with more (and current) photos, updating information like the Copyright notice from 2016 to 2023, making CBA membership a requirement to use the forum, and bring the CBA membership fee up.

Again spot on. I ran my clubs website for a couple years and it was a lot of work that paid zero.  There are thousands of man yours in the CBA website.  But fresh blood would help. Yes it could be better.  But its a lot more work than most would imagine.

Keep it simple by raising membership fees, by keep it current and get volunteer membership help. If people can't see the value that CBA brings to cast bullet shooting and pay the extra cost to keep it functional I think it's sad. 

Gotta ask to those that think raising the cost is not acceptable.  Is it because of the extra $ they would pay, because it has no value to them or is it because of principle.  Personally paying an additional $10 - $15 a year can be justified for the value the CBA and registered cast rifle competition gives me.

By the way, my wife just told me tonight that my NBRSA (jacketed benchrest competition) membership went from $60 to $85 this year.

Sorry for venting.  Bud, I hope that you and the rest of the regulars will cut me some slack on my blunt response.  Bill.

 

 

A “Measured Response” is as effective as tongue lashing a stuck door.

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RicinYakima posted this 02 March 2023

An international group like this is always always at the mercy of inflation.  My Club dues went from $140 a year to $200. Why, I asked. First was the cost of electricity, as the coal plant has been closed and now having to buy power on the spot market. Fuel for the lawn mower and equipment to keep the two acres of lawn nice. Clay birds, target framing and everything else has gone up in the last three years. 

Raising the dues is probably the best, $10 isn't going to make anyone drop out except for principle.

It is all I can do to make "Word" work to type, no other computer skills. 

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Rich/WIS posted this 02 March 2023

Not a CBA member or competitor and never will be.  That said I am on the other forum and donate annually and would donate here if it were an option.  Enjoy the discussions and posts such as the recent post on the Krag  terminal ballistics.  and other historical info, would donate to see more.  

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Eddie Southgate posted this 02 March 2023

No.

Grumpy Old Man With A Gun......Do Not Touch .

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Bill*B posted this 02 March 2023

No disrespect intended, but "get real".  There aren't many of us left.  All this would do is to push shooters away.  Regards, Bill

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MarkinEllensburg posted this 02 March 2023

Please keep the responses coming. I am partially responsible for this topic to arise because I believe that we should have a forum subscription program. I can't think of a single forum that does not have one. It gives forum users an outlet to put their money where their interests reside. In essence, IMHO a voluntary fund-raising feature. In this topic there are no wrong answers. Some will say yes, many will say no, others will say why don't we already have that.

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admiral posted this 03 March 2023

Mandatory pay for the forum? No. I get the digital Fouling Shot because it's cheaper. I never had a digital sub to anything before but was willing to try because the FS is pretty small page wise. I would donate to the forum or pay a little more for the CBA dues but this forum needs better software. 

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Bryan Austin posted this 03 March 2023

Please keep the responses coming. I am partially responsible for this topic to arise because I believe that we should have a forum subscription program. I can't think of a single forum that does not have one. It gives forum users an outlet to put their money where their interests reside. In essence, IMHO a voluntary fund-raising feature. In this topic there are no wrong answers. Some will say yes, many will say no, others will say why don't we already have that.

Seriously? I visit tons of forums that are not pay mandatory. Shall I list them?

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MarkinEllensburg posted this 03 March 2023

Please keep the responses coming. I am partially responsible for this topic to arise because I believe that we should have a forum subscription program. I can't think of a single forum that does not have one. It gives forum users an outlet to put their money where their interests reside. In essence, IMHO a voluntary fund-raising feature. In this topic there are no wrong answers. Some will say yes, many will say no, others will say why don't we already have that.

Seriously? I visit tons of forums that are not pay mandatory. Shall I list them?

 

Bryan,you misunderstand. I am not suggesting that we charge for access to the forum. Although that also has been discussed. What I support is a membership level feature like other forums where you can voluntary donate as a subscription for perks. Some forums the perk is just an enhanced avatar or forum sponsor badge. With that in mind how many forums do you visit without that?

You are a very active member here. Are you as active elsewhere? On any sites are you a donor? Most forum users in most forums do not donate, however many do. Some forums rely on advertising. Another forum that I visit, where I am the President and CEO of the non-profit that owns it survives on advertising and a few donors. How many can you name that don't do either? This forum is owned by an organization that is looking at ways to keep our books balanced in these times of quickly raising prices for nearly everything.

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dbarron posted this 03 March 2023

Excellent points Mark. Costs of operation for all organizations are escalating geometrically. Many gun clubs (I am a board member of one) are bleeding red ink. I’m sure that CBA is no different.  It’s not realistic to think that things can just go on as they are.  We all need to step up. I’m not convinced that a fee for access to the forum is the way to go, or even the intent.  We do, however, need to have a reasonable discussion as to how we are going to survive this inflationary period. I, personally, would have no issues with a dues increase, but there may be other more creative ways to increase the Association’s income. We have an intelligent and responsible board, and, personally, I will support their recommendations.  The CBA is a great organization, and I want it to be around longer than I am.

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Bryan Austin posted this 03 March 2023

Please keep the responses coming. I am partially responsible for this topic to arise because I believe that we should have a forum subscription program. I can't think of a single forum that does not have one. It gives forum users an outlet to put their money where their interests reside. In essence, IMHO a voluntary fund-raising feature. In this topic there are no wrong answers. Some will say yes, many will say no, others will say why don't we already have that.

Seriously? I visit tons of forums that are not pay mandatory. Shall I list them?

Bryan,you misunderstand. I am not suggesting that we charge for access to the forum. Although that also has been discussed. What I support is a membership level feature like other forums where you can voluntary donate as a subscription for perks. Some forums the perk is just an enhanced avatar or forum sponsor badge. With that in mind how many forums do you visit without that?

You are a very active member here. Are you as active elsewhere? On any sites are you a donor? Most forum users in most forums do not donate, however many do. Some forums rely on advertising. Another forum that I visit, where I am the President and CEO of the non-profit that owns it survives on advertising and a few donors. How many can you name that don't do either? This forum is owned by an organization that is looking at ways to keep our books balanced in these times of quickly raising prices for nearly everything.

 

Okay, I understand now, me thinks!

By all means, this is a membership club with a forum open to the public...as it should be. However, I certainly have no issues with private sections for members only.

I frequent several forums daily and am as active as I can be, probably more than most would like for me to be. I basically stay out of nearly everything I can that is not related to certain issues. More importantly, I am "teachable" and is why I frequent such forums. I do so to learn what I can about the subject at hand as well as exercise my brain on what I do know so I don't forget.

I do not donate to any forum, but I do join certain clubs. I know custom websites and forums cost money, my website, Chasing The 44-40, was inspired to me by the late Mr. John Kort's love of the 44-40, it is a free host and I have no intention to make people pay money to learn or find information they seek. It is an absolute labor of love and I have learned a lot from it in so many ways than just the subject of it. I have been tempted many times to create a forum for it, linked to it. I also have two other websites about airplanes. The Fairchild 24 Saga and the Curtiss P-6E Hawk Army Bi-Plane Fighters.

I had a small forum many years ago when I was building an 82% scale Curtiss P-6E Hawk 1930's bi-plane fighter powered by a 383 stroker chevy engine. It was a free host forum thus it was free to the users and other builders of the airplane. Unfortunately life matters blocked the ability to finish the project and it was sold and my interests went elsewhere. There were only 26 builders in the world and to this day only about three airplanes were finished. Funny, I think I still have my files for the website and forum somewhere. I was heavy into the antique/classic and a member of the EAA and rebuilt a few airplanes way back before the advent of the internet. The last airplane I completely rebuilt was a 1937 Fairchild 24G powered with the Warner 145 radial engine.

Anyhow, as I said, if this club wants a private forum, it is their absolute choice but I doubt they will get an accurate count from here on those that will pay vs those that will not. 

Any time folks take something that was once free and make it a paying membership, they chance loosing what was so hard to build to begin with.

The Fairchild 24 Saga website

Maule Airplanes website

Curtiss P-6E Hawk website

 

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358156hp posted this 04 March 2023

No. This board needs more traffic not less, it's already a really low traffic board in spite of being open to the public. I think I probably only check in twice a week, but few threads seem to need any input.

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