Will a winchester model 52c keep up with some of the newer accurate 22lr s? Specifically my cz 457 mtr?
Speaking of which, I bought a set of the metallic targets that go from 2" to 1/4". With eley match I can ring that 1/4" regularly. Not every time , but regular.
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The Winchester 52C will shoot with anything ever made. 40 years ago there was a game call BR-50. Fifty shots at 50 bullseyes in 30 minutes and no one ever shot a perfect 5000 score. It was really hard because you had to keep the entire bullet hole within a .44" circle. The 52C was the standard to gauge all others.
With 22LR's it is not only the rifle, but what ammo that rifle will shoot. Today we don't have the quality of ammo made in the 1990's.
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The Winchester 52C, and 52D, are fully capable of shooting with any of the current production rifles. Too many sit in the back of gun safes and are not being used. The growing interest in .22 LR competition may bring them back out.
Ammunition selection by lot number is the key to accuracy. As Ric noted, today we do not have the selection of superb quaity of ammunition that we once had.
Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest
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I believe we have the "quality" ammo, if u want to pay the "price".
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Would it break the bank for an American company to produce a true match grade 22LR?
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Would it break the bank for an American company to produce a true match grade 22LR?
The last company to atttempt this was Kimber. They produced a good rifle, but discontinued it due to a lack of sales. They secured a government contract to produce a military version that is an accurate rifle.The scale of investment is huge.
Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest
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20 years ago I tested CCI, Federal and Eley match ammo. Several types of each in a Kimber 82 rifle. The Eley was best but the margin over CCI Green tag was small. It was a easy choice as the price difference favored the CCI. I bought a case of Green Tag and I never was disappointed.
My friends who shot 22 in competition had more experience and used a LOT more ammo than me. They said rifles are different in what ammo they "liked". You have to test. There are differences in individual lots of 22 ammunition, when you find a good lot, buy in quantity.
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One thing to keep in mind is any rifle's chamber made and sold today has to meet SAAMI specs so no tight match grade chambers on mass produced rifles. Best to shop and buy an older match rifle.
Dale Flinchum
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Actually I meant match quality ammo. I've run several brands thru my MTR and eley and Lapua are the best, no surprises there. So why can't cci or federal do limited runs of really good stuff?
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I've no doubt the 52, AND the 40x will more than hold their own against the new/moderns. "Old" Anschutz as well.
With that, I have a war circa ('42ish) Winchester 75 Target. Thoughts? I really feel like it comes down to the shooter and the ammo that the rifle likes.
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We must remember that there are many thousands of pre-1980 rifles with more than 250,000 rounds fired.
I bought three 52’s and two 40X’s before I got one without a “shadow” burned in front of the chamber from the CMP. While I made out ok on selling the poor ones, spent a lot of money on cases of ammunition.
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My CMP 52C has a 6 o’clock scour hole as well. It still shoots better than I can thankfully. I mostly was shooting Wolf (Lapua-SK made) back then.
My 40x and 40xb both had perfect bores. The 40x (722 action) was a little scuffed on the exterior and had screw holes in the floor plate where some shooter had a hand rest mounted I suppose. The 40xb heavy barrel was pretty minty.
Buying the ammo worthy of the rifles is the issue. I think my SK match ammo was $115 a brick.
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I shoot in our local 100 yard bench rest match with a M37 Remington. It shoots very well and I've done well as long as I pay for top end match ammunition after finding a lot the rifle likes really well. Most of the shooters (4 or 5) winning have taken to a distributor in Pheonix where they machine rest test the rifle with several make/lots of match 22LR. You pay for the test and have to buy a case of ammo or buy two cases and the test is free.
That tested ammo will run 20 to 40+ .cents a shot. The cheapest that shoots really well in my M37 was running about $18 +per box of 50 last time I bought a carton a couple years ago. Needless to say my 22LR match shooting has been limited as it's not really my "game".
LMG
Concealment is not cover.........
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i have a friend that is very active in the 22 lr game. he says that if you want to WIN, it is a game that you shoot a ANSCHUTZ or don't expect to win!!
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Occasionally my old BSA Martini International MK I wins. It even set a range record for the first perfect 100 yard score at the Paul Bunyan range in Puyallup, WA.
Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest
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Won many BR50 matches with my BSA MkIII shooting Federal 900B in the 1990's. Anschutz are very nice rifles, but they do have a cult following.
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i HAVE AN OLD MODEL 52 WINCHESTER, ONE OF THE PRE SPEED LOCK MODELS. THAT OLD RIFLE WILL SHOOT BETTER THAN MOST OF THE HIGH DOLLAR TARGET .22 RIFLES THAT I HAVE. AN INTERESTING THING ABOUT IT IS, IT WILL SHOOT ANY AMMO THAT YOU PUT IN THE CHAMBER. IT HAS A SYNTHETIC STOCK, THAT APPEARS TO BE SOMEONE'S SHOP MADE SYNTHETIC (COYOTE UGLY). THE BARREL HAS BEEN DRILLED AND TAPPED FOR SO MANY TARGET BLOCKS THAT LOOKS LIKE A PEICE OF SWISS CHEESE. THE RIFLE SEEMS TO BE WEARING IT'S ORIGINAL PARKARIZED FINISH.
i HAVE BEEN PLANNING ON PLUGGING THE HOLES WITHLITTLE STEEL PELLETS AND TIG OVER THE LIITTLE PLUGS AND THEN TURN THE BARREL DOWN TO A SPORTER COUNTOUR. I HAVE BEEN SAVING A BLACK WALNUT BLANK WITH THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FIGURE THAT i HAVE EVER SEEN, AND NOT ONLY IS THE FIGURE BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT COVERS EVER BIT OF THE ENTIRE BLANK. IF I EVER GET AROUND TO THIS PROJECT, I WILL PROBABLY USE THAT PARTICULAR BLANK, TO STOCK IT. BUT SINCE I'M EIGHTY-ONE YEARS OLD, IT MAY NEVER GET BUILT BECAUSE I HAVE A PILE OF ALMOST FINISHED RIFLES SETTING WAITING TO BE FINISHED.
MASHBURN
David a. Cogburn
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