Ruger 5R .30-06

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buz0044 posted this 28 July 2024

This spring I picked up a Ruger Guide Gun in .30-06. While doing the initial cleaning before the first firing I noticed the barrel had 5 narrow, shallow lands, the Ruger web site spec sheet shows 6 grooves. i searched around this forum 5R but didn't find anything so I went off on my own, Let me clarify that I'm not a competitive shooter, most of my shooting is pretty casual. I have shot a fair number of cast bullets in a variety of rifles so I'm a little familiar with the world of infinite variables we all deal with. I should state that my typical alloy is WW and depending on the mold I add lino or solder to get the diameter I want. I use a lot of Lee molds.

Some loads I had luck with in other '06 rifles such as 24/IMR 4198 and a Lee 160 GC sized .309 or .310 want to run around 3" +at 100 yds. This load most always shoots under 2" in every other rifle I've tried it in. I went to the other end of the spectrum and tried some Lee 113's without checks. LLA, pushed through a Lee .309 sizer with 7/700X, delighted with cloverleaf groups at 50 yds I moved the target to 100 and got more 3" groups. Along the way I continued trying a wide spectrum of bullet weights, alloys, diameters and powders with a lot of similar results. About this point I bought a Garmin chronograph and started learning a lot and got a little smarter. Further experiments eventually gave better results. For now, after trying about 30 different loads, my best load is a Lee 150 without a check, light coat of diluted LLA sized .309 over 8/700X. Chrono at 1275fps. Most days I can keep 5 shot groups close to 2" at 100 and I'm beginning to think that this is about all I can expect from this rifle with cast bullets.

I should state that I did fire a few jacketed bullets while doing a break in procedure and it looks like 5 shot 1" groups at 100 shouldn't be a problem. No load development, just trying something that always works. in a .30-06.

I live about 2 miles from the Newport plant so finding factory people to ask questions of is no problem. The general consensus is that they are eventually changing all their rifles to 5R, one engineer was explaining all the wonderful benefits of 5R barrels but was surprised to hear they have been common for 20 years and 5 grooves were used in 1917 Enfield's, When I asked about the use of cast bullets all I got was a blank look. Apparently that isn't something the engineers are concerned with.

I wrote all this to lead up to a couple questions. Has anyone else run experiments in a gun with 5R rifling? Is this type of bore similar to Micro-groove in that bullet hardness and velocity range are critical? Am I making a big deal out of nothing and just have to accept that I bought a rifle that's not very accurate? Wouldn't be the first time. In the meantime I'll keep looking for a better load.

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RicinYakima posted this 28 July 2024

 The five groove was popularized by the British with the Enfield rifling in the 1890's. Also used in the US M1917. S&W has used odd number grooves for 150 years. Newton used it from 1900 through the 1930's and again popular in HiPower shooting in the 1980's. 

Not a big deal, just load and shoot. 

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Spindrift posted this 28 July 2024

I don't own a 5R barrel, but I would not worry about it. From your post, it seems you have mostly tried Lee bore-riders. It is not uncommon for these to have slightly undersized noses, in which case you will struggle with finding the best accuracy.

Maybe you need another bullet?

There are many excellent candidates for the .30-06. Among the Lee designs, I like the CTL312-160, and the C312-155. I would try sizing .310 or even .311.

Regarding the Marlin micro-groove barrels and velocity/alloy- limitations; I consider this an unfortunate misunderstanding dissiminated through the Lyman manual. These barrels are excellent, but they need fat bullets, and not nominal groove diameter (as tested in the Lyman manual). My Marlin 30/30 shoots well at full power with my scrap alloy, with .311 bullets.

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fa38 posted this 28 July 2024

messed up a post here and decided not to make the post and the system for some reason will not let me cancel the post. Including closing my browser out.

So something about 5R barrels from Bartlein.

Bartlein makes 5R barrels.  The claim that the 5r system helps accuracy, maybe only for jacketed bullets.  Light for caliber bullets in a slow twist may not shoot as well. Also may not apply to cast bullets.

From your basic computer clutz

Marty

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Brodie posted this 28 July 2024

Marty, I have a Marlin 44 mag. with that shallow groove rifling, I forget the number of lands or grooves, but it shoots cast fairly well.  What you have to do is cast the bullets a little harder, and size them at least .001 in. over groove diameter.  That should improve your cast bullet accuracy out of that 30/06.

B.E.Brickey

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Idahocaster posted this 29 July 2024

I have used the Lee C312-155 with success in. 30 caliber rifles. It works especially well in rifles with short throats as it is not very long.

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