Mosin Nagant Question

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pat i posted this 29 June 2025

Since I know absolutely nothing about these things my what I thought was a M44 doesn't have have a permanently mounted bayonet or place to put one. Does that make it a M38? The date on the action to the best of my ability to read is 1943 and the machining is crude at best. The stock does have a cut out for storing one folded but I'm sure it's been refurbished if the amount of varnish on the stock is any indication. Whoever varnished this thing must have used a paint roller. Thanks for any help.

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4060may posted this 29 June 2025

Pat

There was a site 7.62x54r.com, everything you ever wanted to know about Mosin/Nagant

no longer valid, I bought the CD and will burn you a copy, if I can find it

Chuck

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Eddie Southgate posted this 29 June 2025

The factory refurbish varnish they did was horrible . Usually almost maroon and thick . Not sure about the bayonet lug (lack) but the cut in the stock on a carbine with no bayonet is not unusual for a m38. They used any usable parts to refurbish them before they sold them. One of my son's has a carbine with the cut but no lug , it is a m38. Made for rear guard troops and never was intended for a bayonet.

Grumpy Old Man With A Gun......Do Not Touch .

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4060may posted this 29 June 2025

could not find the cd, here is the site https://www.igun.cz/

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pat i posted this 29 June 2025

Thanks guys. I think I have it narrowed down to being a M38 from your answers and the link Chuck sent. Doesn't make much difference if it's a 38 or 44 but it's nice to know for personal consumption.

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Larry Gibson posted this 29 June 2025

M1910 and M1938 MN Carbines have 20" barrels. M44s have 20.4" barrels. The M1910/M38 barrels ill also be full contour to the front sight base. A M44 with the bayonet lug portion of the front sight base removed with have a barrel step 2.95" back from the muzzle. A M38 should not have a M44 stock but who knows what they did during rebuilds. The contour and length of the barrel is the key to whether a M38 or a M44.

LMG

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pat i posted this 29 June 2025

No barrel step and as far as I can tell the barrels 20 inches so definitely a 38. From what I've read so far it was common practice to replace the stocks with 44 stocks when refurbing.

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Larry Gibson posted this 29 June 2025

Congrats pat, that is a very nice find. How is the bore?

LMG

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Aaron posted this 29 June 2025

Here is the 7.62x54R site. Amazing information on here.

https://thinlineweapons.com/7.62x54r/7.62x54r.net/index.html

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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pat i posted this 30 June 2025

The bore looks pretty rough but the bullet flew out the end of the barrel when I pulled thr trigger so that's encouraging. Once I scope it I'll see how it shoots

Thanks Aaron. I'm not going down the MN rabbit hole but since finding this long ago purchased and forgotten treasure (?) in the back of my closet I want to learn a bit about it and shoot it a little.

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Aaron posted this 30 June 2025

That's how it starts.....

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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RicinYakima posted this 30 June 2025

I don't remember how many MN's I have owned, but likely about 50. They got down to the $39 plus tax price at one time in the 90's. I'd bring a cleaning rod and bottle of Hoppes #9 and spend a couple of hours at the LGS looking for good bores. Owned so very historical ones, but they went to collectors.

The only one I have kept is a Finn 28/30 built on a Westinghouse action. The most accurate military rifle I have ever owned. But the sights are so poor, I can only shoot one ten shot group before they turn to fuzz.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 30 June 2025

PatIf ... If ( pun ) you went and got a MN ya got to watch the movie * Enemy At The Gates * ...

kinda depressing ... and maybe we don't want to hear the stories your rifle has to tell ...

ken

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pat i posted this 30 June 2025

PatIf ... If ( pun ) you went and got a MN ya got to watch the movie * Enemy At The Gates * ...

kinda depressing ... and maybe we don't want to hear the stories your rifle has to tell ...

ken

I've watched that a half dozen times and read and watch everything I can find about the Battle of Stalingrad. I find that battles brutality facinating.

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Wineman posted this 01 July 2025

I had a M38 in a M44 stock. Bore was OK. I never shot it much so it got to be part of a trade for an RIA M1903.There is also a cut down M1891/59 and it will have the Rifle sights. Reportedly Bulgarian

Dave C

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CoalCrackerAl posted this 01 July 2025

The bayonet does not mount permanently. On Ebay they have no drill scope mounts. It goes in place of the rear sight. And is rock solid. It has a cut out too. You can use the front sight.

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Larry Gibson posted this 01 July 2025

My M28 Dragoon and T53. Both have had their chamber necks reamed to allow the use of .314 - .318 sized cast bullets.

Explanation in https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?479982-M44-quot-big-bore-quot post #17.

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tomme boy posted this 02 July 2025

It could also be a 91/59. I had two of them and they were a very good gun. They were cut down 91/30 rifles into m38 length. You need to post a pic and that would help.

Its funny as no one knows what a 91/59 is. Just one of the many weird verities.

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pat i posted this 02 July 2025

It could also be a 91/59. I had two of them and they were a very good gun. They were cut down 91/30 rifles into m38 length. You need to post a pic and that would help.

Its funny as no one knows what a 91/59 is. Just one of the many weird verities.

In my reading up on these things I read about the 91/59. Why I'm sure this is a 38 is because it has the short rear sight and not the long rifle sight with the longer ranges milled off. That and after taking a magnifying glass to the importer stamp it says M38. A dead give away.

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Larry Gibson posted this 02 July 2025

Sounds like it's a M38 for sure. Even with pretty rough bores I've found MNs to be pretty good shooters with cast bullets of .314 or larger size. My T53 was always a pretty poor shooter until I figured out an easy way to ream the chamber neck out so I could load .316 - .318 sized cast bullets in it.

LMG

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Ed Harris posted this 02 July 2025

Larry, did you use a .345" diameter chucking reamer from McMaster-Carr or something else?

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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