Commercial 45:45:10 tested

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onondaga posted this 23 January 2013

I placed an order for a quart of 45:45:10 to White Label Lube Company at $15 per quart and $5.60 for shipping. The order was done by email and I regular mailed a check the same day for payment. The order arrived today, in 7 days. That is very prompt service for sending a check US snail mail and getting the package delivered Priority Mail.

The weather is cold here, 12 degrees F., so I placed it close to my radiator to get it to room temperature. The contents were stiff from the cold as arrived . At room temp the 45:45:10 has the same consistency as my home made batches, about like Hershey's syrup.

I pre-heated a small batch of 350 gr cast bullets for my .500 S&W rifle 5 minutes on warm in my kitchen oven. the bullets were just dumped into an aluminum brownie pan. Before the 5 minutes were up I had transferred some 45:45:10 to a small squirt bottle and warmed it open in the microwave 3 times for 30 seconds each time. The little squirt bottle holds 6 ounces and was warmed to about 150 degrees F.

I put the warmed bullets in a half of a plastic 1/2 gallon milk container then squirted a little 45:45:10 on them. I tilt the container 45 degrees and rotate for 1 minute. Immediately I noticed the commercial stuff is just as clear as my own stuff when applied by tumbling as I always do.

After the one minute of tumbling I poured the bullets into a clear plastic tray to dry.

http://www.lsstuff.com/lsstuff>http://www.lsstuff.com/lsstuff . The product is available now.

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Gary P.S. All my .500 S&W brass is loaded and my range is still closed, so, I have to continue waiting to shoot these... I am confident they will be fine.

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bill_clancy posted this 15 October 2013

R Dupraz wrote: I have a friend and know of others that shoot cast all the time through his M-1 Garand with no problems. I regularlly use cast bullets in my Garand as well but I removed the valve in the gas cylinder plug so that it can be operated manually as a single shot,which is a little different again, with no problems.

Of course this gas system is different than the direct gas impingement system in the AR's, where the gas,fouling etc is directed right back into the action.

Even with the valve in the gas cylinder plug in my Garand removed and the action not working, I get a very slight lead wash on the front of the gas cylinder piston.Doesn't bother and easily removed.And all the rest of the stuff is vented out the front and not back into the action as would be the case with the AR.

I did the same with an SKS, Lee gas checked bullet with a hard pan lube. Worked like a charm...and I could recover my brass!

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mike morrison posted this 02 October 2013

wishing the best for white label thanks for the info

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oscarflytyer posted this 02 October 2013

White Label Lube Co just had a shop fire... Thye hope to be back up soon. No one hurt, which is the best news of all.

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mike morrison posted this 28 September 2013

I understand that Rooster Jacket is no more. I have used very little tumble lube as I have always used the old school stuff. I have had the Rooster Jacket for several years and had not tried it until lately. it dries completely and is clear. I have been using it on bullets for a big bore air rifle (pcp) it is doing fine here but it is all subsonic. I will try some of on .223 shortly. I am only pushing my 223 at 1900 now with no leading. m

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tturner53 posted this 28 September 2013

I've found the Rooster Jacket to be useful with low pressure loads. Once it's dry it's a little less gooey than LLA.

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onondaga posted this 28 September 2013

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=61>mike morrison:

I've never tried Rooster Jacket and likely won't. I work so hard on getting my bullet fit correct that when I am done and have a good fit, the brand of lube is inconsequential to the results. I never get leading and have tested all my calibers and bullets with Lee LLA and 45:45:10 with no lube failure even on my fastest load in .223 Rem at 2550 fps. with gas checked bullets in #2 alloy. Bullet fit is much more important than lube.

If you like Rooster Jacket, I'd say keep using it. But neither your lube or mine will do very well with bullets too small or alloy too soft or too hard for your load level. Lube should not be expected to compensate for poor bullet fit or poor alloy selection.

Gary

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onondaga posted this 28 September 2013

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=7218>21gun

When the bullets and lube are warmed, the amount of lube used is still very important. Use the least amount that will only wet the bullets when tumbling. If you find you have used too much and the lube is puddling in the container as you tumble, immediately pour bullets into a clean container and continue tumbling. If you really over did the lube you can pour the bullets into a third container and continue tumbling.

I just don't have anything close to your problem and my bullets start to visibly dry during the first tumble..Occasionally I have to add more lube because the bullets didn't all wet, but I usually get it right.

Try to be very sparing with the lube. less is better as long as they are covered lightly and evenly, they are done and ready to spill and dry completely on wax paper.

A sure sign that you really misjudged and over applied the lube by way too much is very visible: when you spill the wetted bullets on the wax paper if the lube drains off the bullets and even slightly puddles around a bullet you have used more than twice as much or more lube than is used to do the job right. Use a lot less next time and watch the bullets on the wax paper. They should not be draining and should dry right in front of your eyes very quickly when lube and bullets have been warmed before use.

Gary

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mike morrison posted this 28 September 2013

I have a bottle of Rooster Jacket. Anyone have a comparison. I find it to work like your description of the 45 45 10 but not to dry quite as quickly. m

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21gun posted this 28 September 2013

I have used this same product. I like it better then pan lubing. The only thing I don't get a “tack free” bullet. I don't know if I am using to much or just not prepping the bullet and/or the lube. I heat both the bullets and lube so I assume its the amount. Any help for you guys would awesome!

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noylj posted this 12 March 2013

I can't believe that so many are still sizing bullets! It's great having a source of 45/45/10 and NOT having to make it myself. One thing about under sized bullets (which I don't have with my as-cast bullets but have had with commercial bullets) is that a little LLA on the bullets eliminate or greatly reduces leading. The straight LLA is very tenacious and seems to seal quite well.

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R Dupraz posted this 02 February 2013

I have a friend and know of others that shoot cast all the time through his M-1 Garand with no problems. I regularlly use cast bullets in my Garand as well but I removed the valve in the gas cylinder plug so that it can be operated manually as a single shot,which is a little different again, with no problems.

Of course this gas system is different than the direct gas impingement system in the AR's, where the gas,fouling etc is directed right back into the action.

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onondaga posted this 02 February 2013

I only shoot cast in my AR15. Again, bullet fit is critical, if your bullets aren't big enough to stop gas jetting, in addition to shooting all over the place you will likely have your gas system gunked up also. I size and check my .223 bullets at .225” and lube 45:45:10 once before size/check twice after. Alloy for these should be Lyman #2 or slightly harder. Loads should not be hot, just enough to work the action.

If you are going to shoot cast in your AR15, I suggest a clean change for good and don't go back to jacketed. Get all coppering out of your bore first before shooting cast and polish your bore for cast bullets. Switching back and forth with jacketed/cast is an area of debate. My position is that it is horrible thing to do to a bore and you can get coppering that lead will fuze to in your bore.

I shoot the 225646 bullet in my AR and they all up weigh 60 grains for me in #2 alloy with GC and lube. They will function the action starting about 2200 fps with AA2230.

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Green Frog posted this 02 February 2013

cptuap wrote: My guess is that the lead and lube would muck up the gas system. Good luck.

That's exactly my concern. :coffee Anyone wit firsthand knowledge?

Froggie

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cptuap posted this 02 February 2013

My guess is that the lead and lube would muck up the gas system. Good luck.

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Green Frog posted this 02 February 2013

Onandaga, with regards to firing 223 bullets lubed with 45-45-10 (or any other cast bullets for that matter) I am wondering whether that would be with an AR15 :coolgun: or limited to a bolt gun? :riflebr: I have yet to fire my first cast round through a gas operated gun but am wondering how they will affect the gas systems of the guns? I've shot cast in semis like my 45s for years as well as revolvers and single shot rifles, but I have no experience at all with cast bullets in gas guns. Is any special treatment needed? :thinking: Thanks in advance!

Froggie

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Pigslayer posted this 01 February 2013

Guess that I'll have to get a quart & try it.

Pat

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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williamwaco posted this 01 February 2013

Thanks,

I will give it a try.

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onondaga posted this 31 January 2013

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=5853>williamwaco:

45:45:10 will gain you absolutely nothing if you don't favor quicker drying time, a more even coating that doesn't clump, less stink and smoke when you shoot, less color and tackiness that you can't see or feel because you have made up your mind otherwise and refuse to be dazzled with the facts. You also will not have to shake or tumble dents into your bullets with a properly mixed commercial product that is way thinner in viscosity than dried out semi solid XLOX and LLA that are identical to each other.

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williamwaco posted this 31 January 2013

I use LLA and Xlox. I can see no difference.

I used to dilute them 30% with mineral spirits. I no longer do that. I use it straight.

I can't squeeze it out of the bottle with any amount of control so I reach in with a screwdriver blade and pull out a blob and put it in a zip lock bag to tumble.

I do not heat anything. I set the cooky sheet under the ceiling fan over night and find that unless it is rainy weather they dry nicely and un tacky over night.

I find this method so easy and satisfactory I don't understand the need for 45/45/10.

What will it gain me?

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 24 January 2013

thanks for the effort re: 45-45-10 .... and your patience in repeat iterations again ..

i think getting information to stick ... is a bit like radar ...one iteration just don't work ... you have to keep vibrating the airwaves, then watch for feedback, then repeat over and over again ...

does take some power, and thank you for providing that ...

ken, about to order some ” lube/sealer/flex-check .... )