.45 Colt

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Pigslayer posted this 07 September 2012

I have always used bullets of gas check design in my handguns with great success. I used a non-gas check design in the 9MM once (long time ago) with incredible leading. O.K., here is where I'm at. I'd like to try a plain base SWC in my Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt. I normally use a Lyman #2 alloy & use 8 grs. Unique behind a 255gr. SWC which pushes it between 800 & 900 fps.. LEE offers a couple of molds in that weight range . . . nice looking bullets too! I guess what I'm looking for is anyone who has used PB bullets in the .45 (Long) Colt and what their loads/experiences were.

 

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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Chargar posted this 06 May 2014

I have also fired many thousand round of 45 Colt ammo loaded with 454424 over 8.5/Unique with good results. Lately I have been a slightly milder load of 6.2/Bullseye under the same bullets. Why 6.2? Because that is what my #11 RCBS Little Dandy throws. The chart says 6 grains, but the rotor can't read. I am finding the 6.2/Bullseye to be all I need for fun shooting, with a little less recoil and a little easier on my great  sixguns. The USFA below duplicates the 1873 Colt including the grips that are sharp where they should not be and thin where they should not be. The slightly less recoil gives a much better “shooting experience".  

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billglaze posted this 06 May 2014

I've been shooting the .45 Colt since 1952 with the Lyman 255 gr. Keith design, cast of wheel weights.  First in S.A. Colts(s)  and later in a Model 25 S & W model 25, recently I bought another S.A.A. Colt new. (Not well made, poorly assembled, long story.)All these years, (good Lord, where did 60 years go while I wasn't looking?) I've used the same load with this Keith bullet:  8.5 gr. of Unique.  Lyman's book says (I seem to recall) 846 fps; has said so for about 50 years or more.  I've chronographed it over and over for years and I've gotten from 950 to 1050 fps depending on the individual pistol.  Said to myself many times:  "Do I really need these Magnums?"Since first using this combination it's worked so well for me, that I've never used another load.  Guess I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud.  BTW:  Not a bit of leading.  None.  Ever.   Bill

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.

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Longone posted this 11 April 2014

I bought a Ruger BH convertible and I gotta tell ya I just love to shoot it. A load of either 6.0 or 8.0 grains of Unique will shoot much better than I can hold. I shot the gun from a rest and was pretty surprised at how well it does shoot @ 25 yds. I cast the RCBS 255 grain, they come from the mold ( with range scrap ) @ .454” and I size them to .452". I haven't done much work with the 45 ACP cylinder but it appears to shoot very well also. I have made the change to Carnuba Red from LS stuff and don't have any leading issues so I am a happy boy.

Longone

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Pigslayer posted this 25 March 2014

I stopped using gas checks altogether in my .45 Colt. Found them to be unnecessary. The LEE 452-255 shoots very we in my Ruger Blackhawk & drops large enough to size to .454. Pat Reynolds

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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n9zls53 posted this 22 March 2014

hi pigslayer i have shot plainbase lyman bullets  for close to 40 years i have several 45 colt smith and wesson revolvers and use 454424 454424 452423 in them and 452460 my 45acp pistols. mostly ww lead with a little tin i live by elmer keith loads and bullets. he didnt belive in gas checks . i use bullseye 2400 and unique powder the most for these guns good shootin. dean shinneman 

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Carbine Dave posted this 21 February 2014

I love the .45 Colt, In my older Ruger Blackhawk, Shoot a load of 7.9gr.s of Unique over a #wlp primer, And a remington 250gr. RNFP or a 250 grRNFP cast from a lyman mold and sized .454, lubed with my on mix of beeswax, liquid alox, graphite and filtered bacon grease, works about as good as nra alox, but not as smokie or stinky, it will keep most of the cylinder on the end of a soda can at 25 yd. if I do my bit and thats good enough for me, have tried #231,#2400,and red dot to some extent or other and still go back to Unique, even have a jhp load using Unique, 9.1? and rem. 185gr jhp, not as accurate at distance, but, that is not what it is for.I have an H&R carbine like Ed's but have sight work to do on it before load developement starts, I'll likely just shoot what I already load and go from there, I also have a round ball load,using .800” long .454 casull cases and about a 3.5gr.s of #231, shoots flat and not too loud.

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Dale53 posted this 20 February 2014

Hodgdon has it on their web site (Data Center).

FWIW Dale53

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frnkeore posted this 19 February 2014

Bill, How did it turn out? I also like 8.5 gr Unique in my 625-5. I use the H&G copy of the 454190 (larger meplate) and have gotten 1.5” 6 shots groups @ 25 yds off bags with it.

I've got TG, does anyone know how many gr it takes to get to 900 fps (5” bbl) with it and a 250 gr bullet?

Frank

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billglaze posted this 19 February 2014

Late again to the party, but,,,,I've been shooting the same load in the .45 Colt for an embarrassing number of years. Lyman 255 gr.Keith bullet,and 8.5 gr. of Unique. Depending on the gun, it gives just over 900 fps to over 1000. Recoil is manageable, and the accuracy is definitely there. I've shot it in an 1892 Manufacture Colt Single action, (Converted from Black Powder via a new barrel and cylinder) a made-in-1917 Colt Frontier, a Smith and Wesson Model 25, and a new Colt Cowboy. No leading; bullets sized to .452, cast of wheel weights. Lubed with whatever was in the Lyman Model 45 at the time. I'll be shooting some tomorrow. Bill

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.

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PETE posted this 29 September 2013

Pigslayer,

I've never had any trouble shooting PB bullets in ANY pistol or revolver. In my Ruger .45 Colt/ACP I've used anywhere from 6 to 8.5 grs. of Unique when working a load up with no leading. My bullet is the Lyman 452424, a Keith copy, at 250 grs. cast out of range lead and sized .4505, with Win. LP primers, and using Javelins lube.

Pete

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Uncle Russ posted this 18 July 2013

Had some fun with one of those Brazilian pistols a while back when they were cheap. Ordered three and got three examples of scrap iron. Sent them back and said try again. This time we received two not so bad and one with a really bad barrel.

A couple gun shows later came home with a new looking 1955 TGT barrel. That started “The Project". I did learn a lot. Like why that barrel was at the gunshow.

Tore the pistol down to basics and removed the barrel. Using a Chiefs Special as a pattern I copied the round butt “K” profile to the “N” frame. Welded in filler metal where needed and slowly reshaped the grip to the smaller size. Next was the barrel. I centered the barrel in the four jaw chuck and fit the cylinder gap with no problem. Never having done it before I was really nervous but all went well and was actually kinda fun. But then the real fun started. I screwed the barrel into the frame hand tight then went for the vice and blocks with the frame wrench. Pulled it into the twelve o'clock and it snugged up. Removed it from the vice and lo and behold the ejector shroud did not line up. I quickly backed it off and lined it up. Then the rib was crooked. What is going on?

Took it to my local smith and showed him. He chuckled and put it in the vice only to get the same results which left us both in wonderland. He figured I just did not screw it in far enough because it was getting really tight. Nope, not even close.

Putting it on the layout plate we applied the parallels. It soon became obvious. The barrel's top rib was about eight degrees out of square. That barrel made it all the way through S&W's manufacturing procedures, was polished, buffed and blued before being caught and sent to the guns show to be available to some unknowing dipstick (like me).

I cut the front sight off and crowned it at five inches which was part of the plan anyway. Made a jig to rigidly hold it and machined the rib flat. Using a 3/8” ball end mill contoured the sides into the now much lower rib. Then soldered on a newly made front sight with a McGivern gold bead, my favorite. The last project was to mill the slots for an adjustable S&W rear sight. I could not find a cutter to make the undercut for the sight base and no tool grinder in my area would even try to make one. So I laboriously cut that slot with a modified needle file. What a chore.

Then the action was tuned and because it was going to be a working gun I parkerized it. What a cutie. And quite a good shooter too. I must say I know that gun is much happier now in it's new configuration. A whole lot like a S&W M625.

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Pigslayer posted this 13 July 2013

The throats on my Ruger Blackhawk are .454.

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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Chargar posted this 13 July 2013

I looked in my records and found the throat dimensions on six different Smith and Wesson DA sixguns in 45 ACP/AR. Three are pre-war and three are 1955 Target Models (Model 25).

The tightest is .455 and the biggest is .457. The rest fall in between these two numbers, mostly on the large side.

Here is a pic of the one with .455 throats. It is a 2nd. Contract Brazilian made after WWII of left over 1917 parts and new production parts. The frame and barrel are 1917 and the cylinder is later production. A few years back, I conned Smith and Wesson into doing a factory reblue. When I got it the muzzle crown was buggered, but I straighten that out and it shoots very well with cast bullets.

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Ed Harris posted this 13 July 2013

I've had a couple S&Ws in .455 and. 45 ACP/AR as well as postwar 1950, 1955 and Model 25 and all suffered from oversized cylinder throats. 456-.458+

Only one I kept is Hand Ejector 3rd Change Model of 1950 Military, which has .455 throats and like same bullets as my New Service Colt.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Ed Harris posted this 13 July 2013

I've had a couple S&Ws in .455 and. 45 ACP/AR as well as postwar 1950, 1955 and Model 25 and all suffered from oversizex cylinder throats. 456-.458+

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Uncle Russ posted this 13 July 2013

I am surprised at the absence of S&W's here. I mean what was first the .44 Russian or the .45 Colt? The chicken or the egg?

I will admit the Colt SA is one heckuva shooter but my nod goes to the S&W 25-5. Along with my S&W 29-3 they are two of the straightest shooters in the flock. What marvelous handguns.

Mr. Pigslayer, we are all glad you have seen the light. May your walk through life never be dim again!

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JohnM posted this 12 July 2013

Saw the Lyman 454190 mentioned above. I just got one of those from a guy a couple months ago. Evidently it's a later production because all I can get it to drop is ~.452, I've been told the earlier ones dropped ~.454 pretty easy.

It's a nice looking bullet, pretty much a classic for the 45 Colt, but that thing is driving me nuts trying to find the right combination that'll shoot without leading. According to every thing I can measure I have a good fit for bore, cylinder mouths, etc; but everything I've tried so far leads up bad. Different alloys, different powders, sized, unsized. :)

Oh well, some times these things just don't want to cooperate.

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TRKakaCatWhisperer posted this 21 April 2013

Pigslayer wrote: ... Some complain that Unique is dirty . . . Wah, wah, wah! I find great pleasure in sitting on the front porch, having a beer & cleaning Unique “residue” from my handguns. don't mind one bit. Think I'll take my Ruger BH .45 Colt to the range tomorrow & dirty it up with some Unique.

Pat

Unique doesn't have to be dirty. I use it in my .405 Winchester under 300-400 gr bullets. 10-11gr. AND by using a 3/4 x 3/4” square of paper towel half way down in the case (to locate the powder in the bottom half of the case) it burns CLEAN!

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R. Dupraz posted this 20 April 2013

It's a matter of priorities. Never paid no mind to dirty or clean. Cuze the target is the ultimate judge.

RD

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