9mm-Why bother?

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tturner53 posted this 15 February 2011

I ask myself this from time to time. My efforts haven't been that successful, it takes a lot of time, and cheap blasting ammo is plentiful. I prefer factory for serious considerations with a 9mm. But still I am compelled to try. Must just be the casters curse;"I just know if I keep trying I'll find the magic combo...". And then there's the chasing of the brass. Why bother? Is it like the mountain, 'because it's there..'? Maybe it's all that free brass.

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apbluebass posted this 07 June 2013

I'll 2nd that motion... 9 mm is just fine and out of a high point carbine makes for an accurate and flexible mid distance round. I hang the Sig on my hip and carry the carbine. Using one type of ammo...a very convenient combo when the Rio Grande is in walking distance..

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rsrocket1 posted this 07 January 2013

I returned to shooting after a 20 year hiatus in late 2008 and remember the craziness back then. That was nothing compared to now. Fortunately, I have been slowly building up reloading supplies over the past couple of years and probably have a 1+ year supply of components based on the very high volume of shooting I did last year.

It's too bad all this posturing by politicians is being done to give the perception that they are doing something that helps, but it is very comforting personally, to pass by empty shelves on the ammo aisle knowing that I don't need any of the ammo that is not there to keep shooting.

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hunterspistol posted this 06 January 2013

:coffee   I think a lot of people that weren't “all that big into guns” just decided to get that way.   It's amazing to me,  I wander into town from out in the country and I don't have their desperation or shortages.  It's the same kind of feeding frenzy you'd see in sharks.   All they did was say, “let's talk gun control” and the rush was on!   In a way, I'm glad to see it.  Now, they take those politicians seriously,  they should have to begin with.

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CB posted this 06 January 2013

It's kind of comforting, knowing we can go on without being overly affected by the current silliness, isn't it. I just checked my primer stock, and my powders, and called it good. I'd like a little more powder, but it's the least of my concerns right now. Bullets for any caliber I have are less than an hour away, if I don't already have some ready to go.

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hunterspistol posted this 06 January 2013

Granted, I just ran across that frenzy here in Texas. Wow, store shelves getting really empty.

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rsrocket1 posted this 03 January 2013

tturner53 wrote: I ask myself this from time to time. My efforts haven't been that successful, it takes a lot of time, and cheap blasting ammo is plentiful. <snip> Why bother?

In light of the current frenzy, do you know why now? ;}

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Chargar posted this 20 November 2012

Back in the mid-80s, I walked into Starky's Gunshop in El Paso and meandered back to the bullet mold shelf where he had some old stock NEI molds. I bought a three cavity NEI what cast a SWC 9mm that is similiar to H&G 68 (45 ACP). The box says 115 grains, but it cast between 120 and 123 depending on alloy.

I size these bullet .357 or .358 and fire them at 1,050 to 1,100 fps over Unique or AA5. This load delivers nice round groups as good or better than the best jacketed factory loads in every 9mm I have tried and that has been 6 or 8, both Euro and American.

This bullet also does well as a light weight 38 Special bullet.

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Gunner220 posted this 20 November 2012

Arthritis!!

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mtn_runner posted this 07 October 2011

In addition to the foregoing 'cost analysis' of casting bullets, two more considerations on the merits of casting your own:

1- If I wasn't spending hours casting bullets, I'd probably be wasting money on less productive pursuits (have you checked out the cost of going to a movie lately) and,

2 - If at some point, the gov't regulates a prohibition on the sale of lead bullets (which is not out of the question), you should still be able to find scrap lead/WW around.

Best to be able to roll your own - but certainly also go ahead and buy lots of that cheap 9mm ammo while it is available.  Blast away.

Regards...

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tturner53 posted this 05 October 2011

I've printed out many of Ed's posts. My 9mm project is on hold due to time constraints but I will go .358 next time around if it will chamber. I'm thinking I need to master the .38 Special target load before the 9mm. Surprisingly it's not a slam dunk. Come to think of it, Dale, I've used you for a reference too. Seeing the targets you've shot I figure you know something yourself. Funny how this bug got me long ago, innocently reading my American Rifleman and there's guys making their own bullets!

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Dale53 posted this 05 October 2011

Ed's post should be a “sticky” for loading the 9mm.

I suggest that everyone that reloads for 9mm, print it off and hang it in his shop.

FWIW Dale53

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Ed Harris posted this 05 October 2011

The company used to load and cast alot of 9mm bullets for testing purposes when I was at Ruger. While it is company policy not to recommend or condone any handloaded ammunition, we needed to know what it would do, in particular whether firing jacketed +P+ law enforcement loads in a heavily leaded barrel would cause problems.

We cast bullets from salvaged backstop lead, alternating between two RCBS pots, with a pair of 4-cavity Saeco molds, casting the bullets hot enough so they were uniformly frosted, dropping them into a 5-gallon bucket of water, loading them as-cast and unsized, lubricated with a light coat of Lee Liquid Alox and crimping in what would later be introduced as the Lee Factory Crimp Die.

Moulds were cooled off by periodically resting on a large wet sponge. A man working an 8 hour shift could cast over 100 pounds of bullets a day. The Dillon RL550B was set up to throw 3.6 grs. of Bullseye for a 124-gr. truncated cone bullet similar to the H&G #7. They dropped at .358 and we loaded them that way.

A very important factor with cast bullets in the 9mm is to have a lube bleed hole in the seater and crimp dies, so that bullet lube buildup does not increase seating depth, which can cause a dangerous increase in pressure. Dillon dies have this feature, and it is easy to drill a 1/16” bleed hole in the top plug of the LFC die for when you are loading thousands of rounds.

If you are a manufacturer running short of 9mm “proof” ammo to run “accelerated endurance tests” of 188 proof loads in the P85 pistol you are trying to destroy, without having to dip into your “real” proof loads needed for production, all you need to do is take a standard GI Ball M882, crack the asphalt bullet sealant with your seating die in your reloading press and reseat the bullet only 1/16th deeper, for +10-12,000 psi~!

The same thing happens in varying degrees in all small cases, .32 ACP, .40 S&W, etc. Paying strict attention to seating depth, proper crimp and testing for “bullet push,” no more than 0.005” shortening of OAL after 5 secs. at 50 pounds compression is very important.

I don't know how many rounds we loaded in that setup, but we were buying case lots of Bullseye, four 8-lb. kegs at a whack, and primers by the skid.

These loads in the Ruger P85 pistol in development at that time would outshoot most FMJ ball ammo, about 2 inches at 25 yards and 1030 +/- 30 fps. and run the gun like a pony trotting.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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gregg posted this 05 October 2011

galenaholic wrote: Giorgio, my experience is with the 9MM Parabellum but 9x21 is still a 9mm. I noted that you sized your bullet to .357". Just a suggestion if you haven't tried this, Size your bullets to .358 if you gun will allow it. I'm deadly serious about this. I have three 9x19's and they didn't shoot worth a darn until I got some bullets as part of a deal when I bought a used Dillon 550B press. I loaded a few getting he pess set up and took them to the range. Six inch groups dropped down to 2 inch groups from three different handguns. What was different from my bullets. Weight was right on. Lube groove totally full. Then, I checked the sized diameter of the bullets, .358". :shock: I ran a batch of my bullets and sized them to .358 inch and WOW! 1.5 to 2.0 inches depending on how carefully I shot.

So, size a bullet to .358 inch and make up a dummy round. If it chmbers freely in your gun, load up enough to shoot a magazine full ot two and see if it makes a difference.

Paul B. Me to..  .358

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gregg posted this 05 October 2011

galenaholic wrote: Giorgio, my experience is with the 9MM Parabellum but 9x21 is still a 9mm. I noted that you sized your bullet to .357". Just a suggestion if you haven't tried this, Size your bullets to .358 if you gun will allow it. I'm deadly serious about this. I have three 9x19's and they didn't shoot worth a darn until I got some bullets as part of a deal when I bought a used Dillon 550B press. I loaded a few getting he pess set up and took them to the range. Six inch groups dropped down to 2 inch groups from three different handguns. What was different from my bullets. Weight was right on. Lube groove totally full. Then, I checked the sized diameter of the bullets, .358". :shock: I ran a batch of my bullets and sized them to .358 inch and WOW! 1.5 to 2.0 inches depending on how carefully I shot.

So, size a bullet to .358 inch and make up a dummy round. If it chmbers freely in your gun, load up enough to shoot a magazine full ot two and see if it makes a difference.

Paul B. Me to..  .358

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CB posted this 05 October 2011

I'm thinking about trying something different for 9mm. Lymans 358156 looks to be about the same functional length as 147 gr 9mm jacketed bullets. I think I'll try a few without gaschecks to see how this works. Or has anybody tried this yet?

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galenaholic posted this 04 October 2011

"So far it has been more like a spoiled mistress with cast bullets and rejects all my gifts and efforts. One of these days I will find the right combination that pleases her."

Have you tried the bullets sized to .357-.358” yet? THis is what has worked out the best for my guns. Paul B.

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QuickRick posted this 04 October 2011

I bother for several reasons.  My favorite practice load (3.8 grns W-231 fueling a Lee 124 TL  bullet with CCI 500's) out prints any factory load I have shot to date and feeds reliably in all three of my 9s. Cost per shot is another obvious reason.  The good lord has blessed me with a large quantity of lead and 9mm brass. Thus I am shooting for the cost of the powder and primers. I haven't counted the cost of the bullet lube and electricity for casting the bullets as I don't figure it would amount to much.  I do appreciate the comparative lower cost of 9mm factory ammo. Like most I won't pass up “Steal deals” when they are available. AAMOF I just splurged for a case of RWS factory 124 FMJs at our local Wally World. Couldn't resist the sale price of 9 bucks per box of 50. I have been told they are boxer primed.  They have the absolute prettiest, shiny brass I've seen on factory 9mm ammo. The boxes are stamped “Made in Switzerland” and I consider that a plus as well. Now if they just shoot as good as they look......

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tturner53 posted this 27 February 2011

That looks like fun, I wish I could be there to shoot those with you. My Italian 9mm (Tanfoglio)is a sexy thing and was used to help me win 'Top Gun' in a professional training competition many years ago. For that type of shooting it is a regular Maserati right out of the box. So far it has been more like a spoiled mistress with cast bullets and rejects all my gifts and efforts. One of these days I will find the right combination that pleases her.

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giorgio de galleani posted this 27 February 2011

I must able of hitting such plates with the 9x21 on april 17.

To morrow , after having my blood examinated,I'll cast some Lyman bullets,that I can size them to 358 as I was told here ,in the forum..

 

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giorgio de galleani posted this 27 February 2011

I am practicing with the Browning HP and with a 38 levergun.replica.

The rumors of Mr. Berlusconi scandal are like the cries of the eunuchs after the operation,they are having  the scars  medicated with iodine.

The governement has a solid majority in the House and the chamber and is going on.

I remember a fellow CBAer with a phrase of Churchill about socialism,ignorance,envy and falure.

Communists here ,are quite numerous and noisy , but lose regularily the elections.

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