Case lubes

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hunterspistol posted this 06 September 2009

:armyhelmet:     Anyone using a case lube or case reforming lube they'd like to brag about?  Currently, I use Hornady One Shot.  It smells great, evaporates quickly and works wonderfully.  The only drawback is that I have to remember to reorder it before I run out, those aerosol cans aren't cheap either.

     I've tried RCBS pump spray, too sticky. Anyone using a light, disappearing lube that's trouble free or almost trouble free?

      I do some wildcatting, 7mmTCU and such so, a case reforming lube wouldn't be out of the question.:coolgun:

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CB posted this 08 February 2010

Ron,

Your idea should work. I was thinking of taking a block of wood and stretching denim or a finer grade canvas and then put the VO5 on that.

Jerry

 

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hunterspistol posted this 08 February 2010

     Jerry, I don't have a lube pad myself.  I use a saucer(a large one) with cutouts of material for that. Usually it's denim or sweatshirt material with the top layer sprayed down, or in this case, a dab of VO5 smeared on it. When you think about it, what do you get with a lube pad? A top layer of absorbent material to roll cases on. When it gets dirty, there are always more rags. I just cut “rounds” to fit inside the border of the saucer. Doesn't need to be fancy to work.

Ron

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jimkim posted this 08 February 2010

Ken Campbell, Iowa wrote: Hi, I might have mentioned this elsewhere, but my co. used to mix high zoot 2 stroke fuel for rc race cars.  we have a few gallons of the special “castor oil ” left... if anyone wants a sample, contact me off list; we also packaged this in small bottles for use in high rate hydraulic shock absorbers.  This is a very special grade of castor oil, ... commercial castor oil requires about 16% for 2 stroke use, we got by with 3 to 7 % .

I also use these little sample bottles thinned a bit with alcohol for case lube, castor oil is a product of god, not matched quite the same by man .... yet ....  something to do with long molecular chains.  It was never matched in 2 stroke use, anyway.

For fun I ran a batch in my 72 Pinto engine, it worked fine, but the smell was nauseating.


It would also be interesting for youse experimenters to try it in bullet lube recipes.

If you want to play with a small sample, please send me a buck in an envelope.  This is not a commercial, I do not have enough to sell on a steady basis, and cannot get more of this grade.

regards, ken campbell [email protected] Didn't they use castor oil in Offys at Indy? Unless I'm mistaken there is more than one lube recipe that uses castor oil.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 08 February 2010

Hi, I might have mentioned this elsewhere, but my co. used to mix high zoot 2 stroke fuel for rc race cars.  we have a few gallons of the special “castor oil ” left... if anyone wants a sample, contact me off list; we also packaged this in small bottles for use in high rate hydraulic shock absorbers.  This is a very special grade of castor oil, ... commercial castor oil requires about 16% for 2 stroke use, we got by with 3 to 7 % .

I also use these little sample bottles thinned a bit with alcohol for case lube, castor oil is a product of god, not matched quite the same by man .... yet ....  something to do with long molecular chains.  It was never matched in 2 stroke use, anyway.

For fun I ran a batch in my 72 Pinto engine, it worked fine, but the smell was nauseating.


It would also be interesting for youse experimenters to try it in bullet lube recipes.

If you want to play with a small sample, please send me a buck in an envelope.  This is not a commercial, I do not have enough to sell on a steady basis, and cannot get more of this grade.

regards, ken campbell [email protected]

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CB posted this 08 February 2010

I went to the store and bought some regular VO5, now what I can use for an applicator? Getting a lube pad means a road trip for me or doing it mail order.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jerry

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CB posted this 08 February 2010

I have been using STP on an RCBS lube pad, but the VO5 sounds like a great way to go. Thanks Ed.

Jerry

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hunterspistol posted this 06 February 2010

     Here's a photo of what we're talking about, Alberto VO5 hairdressing gel.  It contains lanolin so, I don't see the need to mix my own, too much ceremony for me.

Ron

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giorgio de galleani posted this 06 February 2010

I 've been using the Lee sizing lube,I remember it had a fishy smell,then I used STP add to your oil,very effective ,but sized brass  has to get a trip in a vibrator cleaner ,with deodorized kerosene,

I'll now try those hair sprays,if I keep my cap on no one will see I have very little hair.

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Buffalo Bill posted this 06 February 2010

Not saying it is the best, but I have been using straight Vaseline for years, applying it with my fingers much like you would with Imperial sizing wax. If I have a lot of rifle cases to do I often lightly “grease” both palms and all fingers and roll three or four cases at once. (I know I could use a case lubing pad to good effect here.) Then, I wipe any excessive lube off the case neck and shoulders to avoid dented cases before running them in the FL sizing die. Each step is run in batches of 20 to 50 cases. It is somewhat of an art, but it works.

If I have a case forming job, or cases fired in an overly generous chamber, it may take 2 or 3 passes, relubing between passes, to avoid stuck cases (but not lubing so much as to get dented cases). All cases are wiped off after sizing.

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RockChuck posted this 06 February 2010

Gentlemen,

Seems like all good ideas.  I was scratchin' my head thinking if I could add any slick stuff not already mentioned when it hit me...I'm sort of cursed with excessively oily hair and if I don't lather it up every day...it just might have some “end of civilization as we know it” potential as a case lube.  For today though my variation on a theme is Marvel Mystery Oil of which I put a small amount on an old dried out ink pad,(One of the few things in my pile of “might need some day collectables” I have actually used. I didn't hesitate a moment to share this with the Ministry of Home Affairs either and for a brief time felt soooo...vindicated!)  It did work well and the only minor issue was a tendency of the ink to bleed out a little at first which I hadn't noticed until after thumbing through a few pages in my log.  Good Day Gentlemen   Keep your powder dry and check your backtrail frequently.

Chuck Martin

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MauserMusicMan posted this 14 January 2010

I agree about the STP. I'm re-reading George Nonte's “Modern Handloading” (well, 1972 modern, at least) that I came across, buried in one of our bookcases. He recommended beeswax cut with various substances, and then mentioned STP Oil Treatment. He said it won't break down and leave the case stuck in the die. It IS cheap - I just picked up a big bottle at Wally World for $2.47. In the cold weather around here, it was really sticky, but as it warms up it will be better. I just put a tiny dab on a lube pad, worked it in and lightly rolled some cases across it. As the saying goes, slicker than snot on a glass door knob... Cheap AND works...a good deal! Comes off with a little solvent of some kind on a rag, whatever you would use to get STP off your hands... :) Anyone else use it?

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JetMech posted this 02 December 2009

Although I use other lubes, using Imperial Sizing Wax requires the least effort to resize the case. Plus you don't have to wait for the water/solvent to evaporate-eliminates the possibility of a stuck case, which just happenned to me last Saturday when I failed to wait long enough for the Hornady One-shot to dry.

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CB posted this 02 December 2009

I am an old Imperial Sizing Wax guy. Works very well, you use very little and it comes off with ease and leaves your cases nice and shiny. I am still working on a tin I bought 10 years ago and only have used about 1/2...

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boondocker posted this 01 December 2009

I use 1 shot but one time I ran out and tried the wifes generic Pam spray oil without and ill effects. Did not do long term bullet storage on those. Just a puff on the outside and not too near the open necks tho.

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Dale53 posted this 01 December 2009

I believe I got this method from Ed Harris many years ago. I was shooting big bore rifle and reloaded a thousand cases at a time (.308 and .223).

Lee case lube is water soluble. Ed (I believe) suggested he was using Lee case lube diluted 10/1 water/lube. It took a couple or three tubes diluted to fill a fifty caliber ammo box. I found a nice french fry basket that fit perfectly.

I would run all of the cases through a universal decapping die after tumbling them. Then I would put a basket full of cases and dip them in the diluted case lube. I would shake them off and dump on newspaper to dry overnight. This did a PERFECT lube job, inside and out (you got absolutely NO drag over the expander stem) and the wax was just a dry film over the case inside and out. The wax, being dry is NOT a powder contaminant.

I didn't need to clean off the cases after reloading in my Dillon 550B but if that bothers you, you can tumble loaded rounds for fifteen minutes to remove the dry case lube. It also wipes off with a “water damp” cloth.

I have NEVER found a better lube system than this for large amounts of rifle cases.

FWIW Dale53

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raytear posted this 01 December 2009

When I first started handloading--about 1969-70 I used STP on a piece of folded towel tacked to a chunk of 2 x 4. (My handloadng in those days was a VLB--very low budget--project!)

When I need lube these days I use Midway's house brand in the pump sprayer. I put the cases in a plastic 3lb. coffee “can", shake the bottle, spritz a few pumps, then shake the cases around in the coffee can before the volatile solvent dries. I also roll each case in my fingers just before sizing to assure it is more thoroughly lubed.

For just a few cases or when expanding .30-06s for .35 Whelen plinkers, I use Lee's sizing lube, actually a wax type product, from the tube. A little bit on the inside of each case mouth then over the expander from an 8mm Mauser, then every other case neck inside and out before going over the Whelen expander and fully into the Whelen sizing die.

For sizing a few cases, a light pass with Lee lube on a finger does the trick per the instructions on the tube. Both Midway & Lee seem to easily wipe off of completed rounds using just a paper shop towel, the kind that come in a pull out box or the blue ones on a roll.

These days I use carbide sizing dies for pistols and Lee collet neck sizers for rifles. That makes the lubing REAL easy--a touch of wheelbearing grease every 500 rounds or so put on the tapered surfaces of the top of the collet that slide against the inside taper of the die body seems to work great. ;-)

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Don Fischer posted this 14 November 2009

codarnall wrote: The best case lube and I think and the cheapest is good old STP. Not a stuck case in 50 years. ---Charlie Good old STP! I used that stuff for a long long time. Never stuck a case. That was back in the days that I was into fixing things that worked!

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codarnall posted this 13 November 2009

The best case lube and I think and the cheapest is good old STP. Not a stuck case in 50 years. ---Charlie

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circle141 posted this 13 November 2009

I use auto gear lube,(ep90)messy, but no effort to size. Put them in your tumbler filled with the corn cob you are about to throw away for about 1 1/2 hours to clean. Put it on a ink pad, roll the cases back and foward about two times, not to much. To much will dent the case necks.

                          Mike Circle

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JeffinNZ posted this 12 September 2009

Stephen Perry wrote: Hunter

I would suggest a mixture of 3 parts Anhydrous Lanolin and 1 part Vaseline. I use this on my jackets when I swage rifle bullets.

Stephen Perry

Angeles BR:fire That sounds like a good, slippery, tacky mix for the swaging.  Nice.  How easily does it come off cartridge cases?

Cheers from New Zealand

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