Hi all,
With no disrespect to all of the great lubes available, I have in my possesion the best ever bullet/bore lube. It is not my formula, I have never made any lube. How can one find out what is in a lube and how to duplicate the recipe? The inventor took the formula to his grave. Any and all help is appreciated.
Roy
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Rick, It's a ill conceived PLOY to get you HOOKED on the best lube ever created.
You'll soon be on your knees, begging Roy for more and more and more.
He'll just smile, as he usually does, and say, “See! I told you so!"
hahahaha Enjoy. It really is the BEST LUBE....
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Roy,
I am so glad your project has worked to a good conclusion for you. I have saved the original lube you sent me all those years ago, but now that I am not holding them in “reserve” for you, I will use them now.
Ric in Yakima
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Hey All
Back from the mountains into Florida heat and humidity. Bleeding from my face has ceased and my beloved reloading room offers air conditioned sanctuary. Although our host did a wonderful job of making us welcome and comfortable, the wife and I became homesick.
"( Does this mean that you will sell us some of your precious stash of lube, Roy????
You have been extremely generous in sharing a lot of it with the guys already.
Keith has the materials on hand, and your recipe, and all your gear. We are going to try to make a batch in the new couple of weeks, weather permitting. Too damned hot!
We are thinking an electric hot plate, under the pot, would be better than using a turkey fryer, and the MISSING steel plate that you used to protect scorching. What do you think?)"
No! Yes! Too hot?? Missing?? I think; if it is fun you should have a smile on your face, if it isn't fun don't do it. I think; getting old was the most fun ever!! Being old sux!!
The electric hot plate will not do. Even a double boiler had mixed results. The missing steel plate was moved by myself just this morning at the request of my wife. Good news is the missing steel plate has a convenient handle now. Eddie also has the other twin of the missing steel plate needed.
Rob is another student with brewing experience and a stash of cloned Best Lube. When no alternative remains but to enlist my peculiar QC oversight, with restrictions and Whiskey consideration, I will submit to servitude.
John, these fellows may be everyone's ticket to Best Lube. My original purpose in making Best Lube was to preserve the invention of my dear mentor and insure the cache of mine is lifetime. As Duke mentioned, gifted sticks of Best Lube were frequent and well received. The down side was my cache dwindling. Also I found recipients transformed into shameless beggars willing to descend into the depths of lubeaholism.
Just now, Best Lube is being subjected to extensive testing by a well known and respected commercial lube manufacturer. The results are highly anticipated. No demands were made nor consideration requested. We will see how this plays out.
Again I offer this product to legitimate home casting competitors in return for test results. PM me.
Roy
Shoot often, Shoot well
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Does this mean that you will sell us some of your precious stash of lube, Roy????
You have been extremely generous in sharing a lot of it with the guys already.
Keith has the materials on hand, and your recipe, and all your gear. We are going to try to make a batch in the new couple of weeks, weather permitting. Too damned hot!
We are thinking an electric hot plate, under the pot, would be better than using a turkey fryer, and the MISSING steel plate that you used to protect scorching. What do you think?
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Hello John You are so right on. Mr. Forrest did not patent his lube because he knew the secret would be revealed by time limitation and law. Also he was confident no duplication would be possible without direction from him or his son. Without my history of being his personal slave, my effort would have failed, this I am sure of. There is a commercial lube producer now involved with testing Best Lube. In Florida, many folks are closely watching and waiting for the opportunity to obtain Best Lube without further begging at my doorstep. Just now I am out of touch with the world without a forty minute trip down the mountain. Internet contact is once every four or five or eight days. Phone service is not. When I return to Florida, I'll be much more responsive. I'm not being rude, I just simply can't hear you now. Testing by others is now much more attractive with my new wealth of Best Lube. Home cast bullets is my passion. I never consider it a win using a trick or secret unknown to those whom I will enter into the contest with. With awareness of what is to come, hear this. To my casting brothers and sisters, contact me with verifiable match results using home cast projectiles. At least temporarily, I can tighten your groups. Now please excuse me to go back up. Roy
Shoot often, Shoot well
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Hi Roy, Thanks for posting the ingredients for Best Lube. That partially satisfies the curiosity but without the recipe as well as the way to mix it the list of materials is, of course, totally useless to someone who was interested in trying it .
Are you keeping this information about the details a secret? Is somebody planning to make and sell the lube? If not, what will keep the information from being lost again after you spent years reinventing it?
Is anybody using Best Lube for rifle shooting? Is it good for that? I don't remember seeing anybody using it in the CBA match reports. Maybe that is just what our heavy and unlimited class shooters need to finally break through the .5 MOA barrier.
John
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I've been reloading for over 40 years, and casting for thirty of those.
Sometimes it takes me a while to catch on.... I'm happy to be here, and feel it's among friends (fellow casters).
Thanks for the welcome....
Duke: First post here at the CBA. Good to have you along. See your posts often over at Boolits. Again, welcome GP
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Shoot often, Shoot well
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Duke: First post here at the CBA. Good to have you along. See your posts often over at Boolits. Again, welcome GP
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Those of us shooting LawnSteel have a deep appreciation for this lube!! It works like no other for this, and many other pistol shooting games.....
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Roy,
Congratulations on the successful completion of your study. It all sounds very mysterious and even magical.
Are you going to tell us more?
Results. Give us shooting results. Are the folks with this product going to show at CBA matches and demonstrate its superiority? I'm sure that there are members willing to try a new BEST LUBE.
Thanks,
John
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Hello folks
This thread has been dormant for many years. The people working with me to discover secrets lost have given me an opportunity to revisit my mentor and fathers spirit. Two of the team members have since passed with only one of them realizing our success.
“Best Lube” has been resurrected! Just over five years of continuous effort has yielded the formula and the recipe. Brewing “Best Lube” is just as critical as the correct amounts of each element. Simply knowing what and how much did not solve the mystery. Right down to individual composition values, ingredients can possess variants rendering batches useless. Equipment used is very similar to what I observed being used fifty years ago. Originally formulated by a shooting expert and his Phd chemist son. It became clear to me, this was a laboratory created product and as such demanded precision in all aspects of duplication.
Slightly over three years now of extensive testing by myself and several others loading and shooting cloned "Best Lube” has shown our efforts were not in vain. My personal thanks go out to those who were instrumental in overcoming the hurdles of this project. I have since taught two state level shooting competitors exactly how to brew cloned “Best Lube". They both have their supply secure and the experience to replicate the process.
Again, I have no desire for profit on Mr. Forrest's brainchild nor do I wish to produce and or sell the product. While this thread may wither away once again, I will never loose the memory of my pursuit. This stuff is simply amazing and I feel blessed to possess the knowledge and now unlimited use of it. Thanks for your attention.
Roy
Shoot often, Shoot well
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I got 13 of them so far. Many with lever guns in various calibers. Mostly CBs, in 30-30, 35 Remington, 45-70 . I did use my 300 RUM on one and it looked like an artillery shell had hit it, that was with a polymer tip 150 grain bullet at 2,900 fps. I did use my Spanish FR-8 in 308 with a 150gr FN bullet on a couple.
Now I am clearing out the thicket where the yotes were nesting and they seem to have moved on. Since then I seem to have gained a couple more barn cats.
My lube is all synthetics, non-petrol based materials, except the beeswax.
Jerry
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arent you going to let us know what you found out?
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Hey Jerry; We will sure let you know if we can get this thing sorted out. Say, weren't you sposed to be out back making sure your barn cats didn't turn into somethings dinner? Roy
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Let me know and I will donate to the Georgia Forests.
Jerry
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Glad to hear it, Roy. I doubt if you will ever reproduce the formula EXACTLY, but you may come close enough for practical purposes. And who knows? Maybe any slight differences will be for the good, and make your version even better.
Good Luck!
Molly
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Hey Molly; We got the report yesterday and have begun to piece together the elemental compounds. BEST-LUBE has some devoted users with a very diverse educational background. This thing is coming together nicely. Several of the compounds are easy to recgonize for our chemical engineer. That along with some clever history detective work, have already brought much of the formula to light. The more we learn, the easier it seems to get. My excitement at our progress is very high and I am semi paitently waiting for an opportunity to attempt to brew some. Empirical trials will be our only true method of reproducing the formula and we intend to do just that. When we are successful, the formula will be released to the public in George Forests behalf. Thanks for your interest. Roy
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... Another CBA member has pitched in with a spectrometer report, my hope is to unravel the formula in reverse. I'm going to give it a good effort. Wish me luck, I'll need it.
Roy
Yes, you sure will. I have some experience at back-formulating from GC, IR and spectrometer data. They'll identify general classes of material pretty reliably, but ID of specific ingredients is shaky - at best. Then you have to come up with 'How Much' data. And the guy who tells you he can calculate it from analytical data may have been taught some theory, but he sure hasn't spent much time in the real world.
Nonetheless, if it CAN be done, that's the only approach that will get you there at all. Who knows, you may even come up with something even better! I've seen it happen. Good luck.
Molly
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Hey Molly; The family line does have a trail, but I had let it lie for just a bit too long. George Forest was a friend of my family and we know the decendents but the disposal of his estate happened many years back. Another CBA member has pitched in with a spectrometer report, my hope is to unravel the formula in reverse. I'm going to give it a good effort. Wish me luck, I'll need it. Roy
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