NOE 225-70 RN Loads

  • 5.7K Views
  • Last Post 24 September 2016
hrafknel posted this 02 September 2015

For a Savage, 9 inch twist, in .223.  Any suggestions for 1500-700 fps using AA 5744, IMR 4227, TightGroup, or Unique?  

Attached Files

Order By: Standard | Newest | Votes
reggleston posted this 24 September 2016

Interested in selling 100 rds of your NOE Bullet 225107 w/o sizing, GC and lube? Email me with details, also interested in what alloy you are casting with that mold. Thanks. [email protected]

R D Eggleston

Attached Files

joeb33050 posted this 26 June 2016

hrafknel wrote: Results using TightGroup: PPU brass, CCI 450 primer, 5 shot group, 100 yards: 6.0 grains; .035", 3 in .336"; .0929", 3 in .166"; 1.375", 3 in .437"; 1.665"; 1.808", 3 in 1.133" 7.0 grains; 1.865", 3.213", 3.4", 4.475" Casting is becoming easier. Next is 6.0 VS 6.5. Love being able to get 1000 loads from a pound of powder. 6/Titegroup, ????, .035"?, .0929? I've put it all on the attached sheet. Did I get it correct? Thanks; joe b.

Attached Files

hrafknel posted this 08 March 2016

For information only. Both 16 and 17 grains of Reloader 7 will function in a High Standard M-4 carbine type AR-15using the NOE 225-70-RN bullet. Accuracy claims will have to wait for sufficient quantity of groups to be shot.

Attached Files

billglaze posted this 11 February 2016

Joe:I've been wondering about the minuscule loads of Titegroup and Red Dot as well.  When I consider the small amount of gas generated by these tiny charges, I am almost marveling that the bullet leaves the barrel--muzzle pressure must be extremely low; possibly even approaching zero.  As mentioned, 4.5 gr. = 1300 fps, 7gr. = 1900fps. As I PM'd you, the use of unsized Liquid Lubed bullets was an unmitigated disaster.  However the bullet design I shot, (450, I believe) has for years been spotty, at best.If I can get the 646 bullet to shoot, (something that has eluded me up to now) I'll give the unsized/LLA another try. Inasmuch as it's 16 degrees here/now, I'll try to think of something else to do. Lordy, Lordy, how I miss the Western desert! Bill

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.

Attached Files

joeb33050 posted this 11 February 2016

billglaze wrote: Joe: Please disregard the powder charges I sent in the PM.

What seems to be working in the Swift, is 4.5 gr. of Titegroup at +/- 1300 fps, 7 gr @ about 1900 fps.

I've also seen a glimmering of hope with 4064 and 3031, but not enough info. to report on.

Little good to report on the 646 bullet; so far, the 415 seems to be the pick of the litter. In short: still fiddling around, but with any luck at all.........

BillBill; Thanks for the info. I'm trying to understand why Titegroup works at ~ 6-7 grains in 223, 22-250 and 220 Swift. Maybe pressure is sorta independent of case volume? Maybe bullet movement increases effective case volume so psi on bullet base remains sorta constant? What matters is that Titegroup works for me, at least in 22-250, and I'm working on 223. Joe

Attached Files

billglaze posted this 10 February 2016

Joe: Please disregard the powder charges I sent in the PM.

What seems to be working in the Swift, is 4.5 gr. of Titegroup at +/- 1300 fps, 7 gr @ about 1900 fps.

I've also seen a glimmering of hope with 4064 and 3031, but not enough info. to report on.

Little good to report on the 646 bullet; so far, the 415 seems to be the pick of the litter. In short: still fiddling around, but with any luck at all.........

Bill

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.

Attached Files

OU812 posted this 10 February 2016

hrafknel, Have you tried sizing the bore ride section to make it more round ? It would be interesting to see target results afterwards.

Attached Files

Scearcy posted this 10 February 2016

Attached Files

hrafknel posted this 10 February 2016

I've tried 3 times to send an expanded report to The Fouling Shot use Glen Latham's email address as [email protected] and 3 times Comcast has rejected the email saying not in their system. Any one know a good email address? Homer

Attached Files

joeb33050 posted this 16 January 2016

billglaze wrote: Joe:Please post your results, when available.   I'm still fiddling with the .220 Swift and am highly interested in your work and results.   So far, I've discovered the Swift doesn't like unsized bullets and dislikes tumble lubed projectiles, also.I've had little trouble with making 10 shot sub-2” groups but they're not “sub” by nearly enough to get me bragging rights. Powder-wise, so far Red Dot and Titegroup seem to be working the best.  I also tried 22 Gr. 4895, and had a bad experience; several cases ruined by what seems to be excessive pressure.  I guess it's the dreaded “detonation” or whatever it's called.  In over 60 years of handloading, I've never before had this ugly experience. Anyway, I'm still hanging in there. BillBill; What charges of Titegroup are you using, with what bullet weight. I just loaded 6, 6.5 and 7 grains and a 60 grain 225646M; will shoot next week. I don't know why unsized works, but it does so far. Also, LLA and mineral spirits. Blue dot and IMR4227 worked OK in 223, but 22-250 has me grinning. Thanks; joe b.

Attached Files

billglaze posted this 16 January 2016

Joe:Please post your results, when available.   I'm still fiddling with the .220 Swift and am highly interested in your work and results.   So far, I've discovered the Swift doesn't like unsized bullets and dislikes tumble lubed projectiles, also.I've had little trouble with making 10 shot sub-2” groups but they're not “sub” by nearly enough to get me bragging rights. Powder-wise, so far Red Dot and Titegroup seem to be working the best.  I also tried 22 Gr. 4895, and had a bad experience; several cases ruined by what seems to be excessive pressure.  I guess it's the dreaded “detonation” or whatever it's called.  In over 60 years of handloading, I've never before had this ugly experience. Anyway, I'm still hanging in there. Bill

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.

Attached Files

joeb33050 posted this 16 January 2016

It looks like 5.5 to 7 grains of Titegroup has been mentioned here, this for a 223. I haven't been using enough. Since 6 grains works so well in 2 22-250 barrels, I thought less would be required in a 223. Could it be that a given amount of powder gives accuracy with a given bullet, regardless of case size?

I'll load 6, 6.5 and 7 today.

Thanks; joe b.

Attached Files

Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 13 January 2016

congrats on the great shooting with the 22's ... it is starting to look as if the 22 cast are not impossible to get under 4 moa .... maybe that will encourage more of us to try smaller bores ...

once you get down to 2 moa, it becomes possible to tweak the system and detect improvements .... at 4 moa not quite so much ...

ken

Attached Files

mike morrison posted this 13 January 2016

My .223 noe 60gr. Likes 7.5 green dot

Attached Files

Scearcy posted this 12 January 2016

I have contemplated shooting cast in my 223s for several years. Please do write an article. It would be widely read. Jim

Attached Files

John Alexander posted this 12 January 2016

Excellent summary!  Good work for a couple of youngsters.  Reporting averages of several groups instead of single groups (or worse yet best group) really puts some substance to your results. Your experience shows what can be done in with an excellent bullet design and a good 22 CF rifle.

I was interested to see that one of your better loads, 9 grains of 5744 was the load I used with a NEI clone of your bullet in competition for about ten years with good results.

Such a substantial amount of work would make an excellent article for the Fouling Shot and I encourage you to write one.

John

Attached Files

hrafknel posted this 12 January 2016

Update: 9.0 gr. AA 5744, 8 five shot groups, average 1.56"             10.0 gr. AA 5744, 7 five shot groups, average 2.22"              10.0 gr. RL 7, 5 five shot groups, average 1.97"              11.0 gr RL 7, 5 five shot groups, average 1.43"              6.0 grs. TiteGroup, 16 five shot groups, average 2.7"              6.5 grs. TiteGroup, 5 five shot groups, average 1.38"              7.0 grs. TiteGroup, 4 five shot groups, average 3.24" All at 100 yds, two different shooters, same Savage, temperature mid 20s to low 70s, wind from nil to very brisk.  Shot from a bench by two 70+ years old amateurs.

Attached Files

onondaga posted this 21 September 2015

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=134>hrafknel

I am a retired casting analyst and well experienced in identifying and diagnosing casting flaws. You report a small “Frosty ” area. Please post a close-up of the flaw you are seeing. The flaw is just as likely a “cold short” and difficult for many experienced casters to identify. I am trained to tell the difference and a very close up macro-photograph will make identification easy for me.

The remedies for “cold short” and localized “frosty” spots are very different, but either is easily correctable with a change in casting method, thermodynamics or casting cadence.

Show me what you have if you desire an accurate diagnosis and suggestions for correction. I need to see the surface of the “frost" very clearly in your photograph.

A view of the frost showing the edge of a frost pocket as jagged, sharp and broken metal accompanied by shrink back is a localized hot spot. Unbroken, smooth, rounded edge pockets are a cold short or the result of mold contamination. Correction for either type of flaw is an easy adjustment to your method once identification is correct.

Gary

Attached Files

John Alexander posted this 21 September 2015

hrafknel wrote: Looked closely at my previous castings.  Some had a “frosty” spot in front of the front band.  I figured that was a “too hot” mold situation.  Measured them, .215-.219".  At 90 degress to that point, the measurement was .220".  I figured that was what caused the flyers.  Live and learn. Very interesting!  I hope you will report shooting bullets that don't have that apparent defect and see if that eliminates the occasional large group.  That could indeed be one of the causes of real fliers -- or not.

Finding out would be a real contribution.

John

Attached Files

hrafknel posted this 19 September 2015

Looked closely at my previous castings.  Some had a “frosty” spot in front of the front band.  I figured that was a “too hot” mold situation.  Measured them, .215-.219".  At 90 degress to that point, the measurement was .220".  I figured that was what caused the flyers.  Live and learn.

Attached Files

Show More Posts
Categories
Search
Popular Tags
This Weeks High Earners
Hot Topics
Close