Casting fill out issue

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Shuz posted this 25 October 2024

Yesterday I was casting in tandem with a Saeco 25-100 and an RCBS 25-120 and Lyman #2 alloy at 700 deff. The Saeco fill out was great but the bases on the RCBS 25-120 had about a 50% rejection rate. The rest of the bullet filled out well, just the bases didn't always. 

What's the possible remedy?

I should add that when used as a single double cavity mould,(instead of casting in tandem,) during previous sessions months ago, I  never had this problem.

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John Carlson posted this 26 October 2024

Sounds like your mould isn't getting hot enough at the slower pace you get from tandem casting.  You might benefit from higher alloy temp but, if you have had good results before, maybe just go back to what works for you.

John Carlson. CBA Director of Military Competition.

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Duane Mellenbruch posted this 26 October 2024

Sometimes a hot plate will help keep the mold up to temp.  You might also compare the size of the sprue hole.  I had a Saeco mold for 22 cal with a very small hole that gave fits on base fill out.  Drilled slightly larger and took care of that.  I suspect the Saeco is smaller than the Lyman so temp of melt, mold and ambient temp all could be working against you with trying to tandem casting and a slower pace. 

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OU812 posted this 26 October 2024

Loosen sprue plate so that it swings open easier (better venting).Keep loosening until bases fill out without finning. Usually my sprue plate swings freely and I open and cut sprue with gloved hand after pouring.

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Ed Harris posted this 27 October 2024

You don't mention alloy. If using wheelweights or range scrap of unknown composition even a small addition of tin in the order of 1% can make a big difference in fluidity and fill-out. In a new aluminum.mold light smoking is helpful for the first several casting sessions, but is not needed afterward.

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OU812 posted this 27 October 2024

I can cast perfect bullets with pure lead without problem. Maybe just turn up heat little more. And maybe preheat mould hotter by dipping corner in pot before casting.

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Duane Mellenbruch posted this 27 October 2024

I can cast perfect bullets with pure lead without problem. Maybe just turn up heat little more.

Are you tandem casting or casting with one set of molds?  Ooops, makes my post look like the quoted portion, not the reply to the previous post.

 

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Shuz posted this 28 October 2024

You don't mention alloy. If using wheelweights or range scrap of unknown composition even a small addition of tin in the order of 1% can make a big difference in fluidity and fill-out. In a new aluminum.mold light Two is helpful for the first several casting sessions, but is not needed afterward.
The alloy, as stated earlier, is Lyman #2. Actually the alloy prolly has enuf tin since an ingot of Lino inadvertently fell into the pot when I was using It to weigh down the RCBS mould at the rim of the furnace when I  started casting with the Saeco mould before I tried the tandem bit.😂

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Shuz posted this 28 October 2024

I'm gonna try OI812's suggestion of loosening the sprue plate. 

Thanks for all the replies!🤗

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Shuz posted this 28 October 2024

I loosened up the sprue plate and bullet bases filled out nicely. 😃

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OU812 posted this 29 October 2024

Also try using a gloved hand to open sprue plate and cut sprue. I purchased cheap Lincoln welding gloves from Walmart. I'm right handed and wear glove only on right hand to open sprue plate.

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Shuz posted this 02 November 2024

Problem was solved! Thanks to all who responded. 

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Rockydoc posted this 05 November 2024

I loosened up the sprue plate and bullet bases filled out nicely. 😃

This would indicate that venting was an issue.  A more permanent solution to improve venting at the base of the bullet would be to file or stone the top edge of the mold blocks where they come together when closed.  Very little need be removed, just break the corner.

This trick is from Ben Hayes from Alabama.

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LeverGunner posted this 3 weeks ago

I rarely get good fillout when trying to run 2 moulds. For me it's about focus. I get great results when I focus on just one because I get the sprue puddles the same, and the cadence consistence. 

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