BENCHREST SHOOTING OPINIONS

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joeb33050 posted this 21 January 2021

BENCHREST SHOOTING OPINIONS

Summary:

 Cleaning does not affect group size, and no “lube seasoning” is required.

 There is a lot of variation in group size. About 100 groups must be fired, measured, and averaged to make any reliable conclusions.

  Some group size variation is caused by the rest.

  Wind affects poi little or not at all at lower wind speeds. Shooters cannot offset the poi to precisely correct for the wind at any wind speed.

 About cant and bubble levels

 Changes in temperature moves the poi.

 

  Frequently, larger groups are caused by several flyers rather than one flyer.

 

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All data is for 5-shot 50 yard groups unless otherwise noted.

Opinions are based primarily on shooting data for four 22 rimfire rifle after 2/1/2020.

I suspect that some of the findings/opinions here apply to center fire cast bullet shooting.

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 Equipment and groups

Since 2/1/2020:

CZ 457 MTR-315 groups

BSA 12/15-150 groups

Winchester M 52, pre A-170 groups

BSA International, MK II-140 groups

Total: 775 groups

Scopes: Weaver T36, two, T36XR, 1

 

Also, since 2/1/20:

Mossberg 44US-70 groups

Remington 513t-40 groups

Ruger Charger, Kidd barrel and trigger-50 groups

Total: 160 groups

 Between 2017 and 2/1/2020

 

Charger-604 groups

Rem 513t-264 groups

Mossberg 44 US-200 groups

Win 52, pre A-115 groups

Total: 1183 groups

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Bryan Austin posted this 16 September 2021

Looks like maybe possibly could be shooter fatigue?????

 

That's my excuse BEFORE the first shot!!! I am out of breath just setting up the target. cool

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Bryan Austin posted this 10 September 2021

Maybe I should bring this back out?

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Ross Smith posted this 09 September 2021

Thanks for the free recoil answer joe.

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Tom Acheson posted this 08 September 2021

I can recall reading several times that Olympic Biathalon athletes could intentionally lower their hear rate right after removing their skies and getting into position to shoot their .22 rifles. It has to be a difficult but an acquired skill.

Tom

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Shopdog posted this 08 September 2021

No real dog in this but.....

I'd learn to control,and ideally lower your pulse rate. Plenty of written word on the subject.

Short story is a widowmaker heart attack left me with a low 40's pulse rate a few years ago. A great day sees it low 50's. The one bright point is how this has effected my shooting. Would say it's the cheapest,and one of the quickest ways to better scores....assuming reasonably competitive equipment.

Good luck with your project.

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RicinYakima posted this 08 September 2021

Free recoil is only useable with rifle with trigger pull light enough not to move the rifle. Military rifles pretty much require enough shoulder to have the trigger break without moving the rifle.

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45 2.1 posted this 07 September 2021

Joe-

   Since you've mentioned free recoil, I would like to see what your rifles do in a machine rest. Otherwise, is it you or the rifle and ammo that's restricting accuracy.

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joeb33050 posted this 07 September 2021

Ok, I'm confused as usual. I use free recoil like many others. Is there a reason that 22lr shooters use shoulder pressure?

 

Serious 22RF shooters shoot free recoil, shoulder pressure left with the Oldsmobile. See Rimfire Central.

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Ross Smith posted this 07 September 2021

Ok, I'm confused as usual. I use free recoil like many others. Is there a reason that 22lr shooters use shoulder pressure?

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OU812 posted this 06 September 2021

My favorite rifle, Remington model 700 chambered in 223 Remington 1/12" twist barrel shooting soft "squished" 80 grain Alaxander bullet, 5-6 grains of Titegroup powder. Thats right " i said 1/12" twist factory barrel".

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OU812 posted this 06 September 2021

When using shoulder to apply forward pressure, you must prevent rest from sliding forward. How you do this legally in competition is up to you. If shooting on wood bench, you could hammer in spikes to prevent slipping. If shooting on concrete table maybe you could use some type of mat to secure rest.

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OU812 posted this 06 September 2021

Here is the forward stop of hart rest. Mine is a little different older model. It is a Heavy .......! 

Consistent forward shoulder pressure takes away LOTS of jittery human error. More so than a heavy rifle will. BUT not all rifles like this technigue, mostly rifles with freefloated barrel it works well.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 06 September 2021

along with the beautiful CZ 22 line, and yes the exquisite Martini,  .... in that budget area, look for a Sako Finnfire ....  the sporter barrel, not the heavy barrel ...  for some mysterious reason the sporters shoot better  ...

oh, i forgot to mention Brian Voelker is mostly a Remington guy, better not mention you are thinking about a CZ ...

ken

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OU812 posted this 06 September 2021

My heavy hart rest has a forward stop adjustment screw built in. I can apply more consistent forward shoulder pressure using it, but the rest must not move or slide forward when doing so. I hate carrying that heavy thing to the range, so I use a bipod and wood block instead. In competition, a good heavy shooting rest (with forward stop) that does not slide forward is the trick.

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Bud Hyett posted this 06 September 2021

First, the recommendation for a CZ rimfire is very good, they are the best for an out-of-box buy in today's market. I've seen both .22 LR and .17 HMR rifles shoot very well. The other brand to consider is the Savage bolt rifles. Alice won one at the CBA Nationals that will put ten shots under an inch with Eley Ten-X. 

I am stuck in an old paradigm, I always wanted a BSA Martini International. I shot one at the University of Illinois rifle team and loved it, but they were then outside of my budget. I now have three, two with Redfield 3200 scopes. They shoot well, ride the bags well and win. These are on the used market and still reasonable in price.  

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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OU812 posted this 06 September 2021

I develop loads using a bipod and a block of wood. Using one screw to attach block to wood shooting bench. One screw will allow the 2x4 to pivot when bipod legs are pressed against it. Rest the bipod (non swivel) legs to back side of block using consistent shoulder pressure and leaing forward against block before firing. The forward pressure takes alot of the human error away and crosshairs will be more steady and settled down.This method works great with my freefloated Remington HS precision stock. Some rifles, especially ones that are not freefloated do no shoot well using bipod.

Steady consistent shoulder pressure helps.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 05 September 2021

or if a guy was serious about 22rf, you should contact Brian Voelker, he is about a half hour from you ...  then listen real good ...

ken

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 05 September 2021

if you wind up with a CZ, be careful if you are married ...  

might be best if you kept it in a storage unit  ...

ken

or i guess a guy could put a Ruger boat paddle stock on it and take a file to the barrel finish ...  then tell her you got it from one of those swamp 'gator trappers ...

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David Reiss posted this 05 September 2021

John,

You can't go wrong with the CZ .22's, they are well made and accurate. I know where there is a 457 Varmint MTR that is new you might get a good price if you are interested. 

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JohnForrest posted this 05 September 2021

Interesting discussion, wish it would continue. From the point of view of a new guy seeing where I might evolve too.

Wondering about a good 22 to start working on my shooting  technique?

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