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parkerhale1200 posted this 07 April 2012

no one knows how the stones are named that i use in my fire place outside?

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parkerhale1200 posted this 30 March 2012

Well than, here we go We use a lot of lead (pb), tin (sn), antimony (sb), bismuth (bi), arseen(as) And we run into a lot of iron(fe),aluminium(al),Mercury(hg),copper (cu),zinc(zn). I thought this was it, if not please let me know!!! also for the others how wants to know. Every metal is in kelvin, lowest melting point first.Plus boiling point.(beyond boiling starts vaporizing, not before!!!!!!!!)

mercury (hg) 234k 630k tin (sn) 505k 2875k bismuth (bi)545k 1837k lead (pb)601k 2022k zinc (zn) 693k 1180k antimony (sb) 904k 1860k aluminium (al) 933k 2792k arsenic (as) 1090k 887k (no typo) copper (cu) 1357k 2835k iron (fe) 1811k 3134k

When one want to use brons (cu/sn alloy)make sure it is about 70%cu and 30%sn, thus it has then a melting point of about 1000k and can be alloyed with plenty of lead. If your are planning to alloy your cu with lead first then the advice is, get a good scuba diving mask with a bottle, this is due to the boiling point.

So based on this table and a little guessing with the average heat in my outside fireplace my inside wood-stove and my gas cooker i am able to get the wrong metals out of the ww and other known ones, of course i make mistakes, who does not.

i hope my 5 cents can do the trick for you, every fire i make is rather soft wood.For 1000 k and up i use hard wood, (only outside) and a little air compressor of the ?fish-water?

Best regards parkerhale

ps i know a little to nothing about Babbitt and other related alloys, so dont ask please, all this is just experience

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parkerhale1200 posted this 30 March 2012

Just want to now, my fireplace is approx 1 yard by 1 yard by 1 yard, how are you calling those white stones, i thought that it was ?limestone?

best regards parkerhale.

ps the metal data is comming to :P

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parkerhale1200 posted this 30 March 2012

shoot now the two other pics, i hope it is going to work now

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parkerhale1200 posted this 30 March 2012

The pictures, yes this weekend we sit for the first time this year outside with very nice tempratures:cool: The two simular pictures are inside in the woodstove with mixin antimony with lead. Outside i get it hot enough to melt glass and iron. Inside i can melt alu zinc antimony lead tin ect.

In this one goes also al the stuff that came out of my melting pot on the gasfurnes. The gasfurnes isnt hot eneugh to melt down zinc or aluminium.When all the stuff is melted down i trade it for ww, lino, tin and ect

The one outside is for fun and for melting big batches of “what ever” lead. i call it cleaning and make ignots of 6.5 pound in beer cans. This summer i must do 4 buckets of 5 gallon each with ww i post some pics.

The tempratures outside are hot enough to melt zinc with antimony tin and lead, there is no alu in ww(not jet).On the gasfurnus is the zinc melting out and floads on top and i skim it off, after fluxing with sawdust and pariffine and then i meld it in the woodstove to solid bloks of zinc for trading.

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parkerhale1200 posted this 23 March 2012

;}Over the weekend i will provide the melting tempratures, tin has a lower melting point than lead, i let you now about lead tin antimnoy zinc alu and what so ever maybe found in ww I dont forget the pics also

Happy weekend:cool:, best regards parkerhale

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afish4570 posted this 23 March 2012

Maybe I have been adding some tin to my batches unknowingly when I throw a bunch of ww in and remove those that don't melt quickly......thanks for the hints and info..Getting too warm here was 78 F today and cooling to seasonal temps in the 60's in a few days. Yard work and honey do lists not to mention. I like to do the bulk of my casting in the cooler weather in the entry way to my garage. Plenty of air to lessen lead fumes etc. Smelting is done far from the house.afish4570:dude:

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afish4570 posted this 23 March 2012

Maybe I have been adding some tin to my batches unknowingly when I throw a bunch of ww in and remove those that don't melt quickly......thanks for the hints and info..Getting too warm here was 78 F today and cooling to seasonal temps in the 60's in a few days. Yard work and honey do lists not to mention. I like to do the bulk of my casting in the cooler weather in the entry way to my garage. Plenty of air to lessen lead fumes etc. Smelting is done far from the house.afish4570:dude:

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parkerhale1200 posted this 22 March 2012

O shoot i before i forget. I had bought 4 new buckets (40-50 pound each) of ww, a strange thing was going on, when i was sorting them out. 5 years ago i had good lead out of it previous two years it became less and less lead and more and more zinc.

This time, there was 20 to 30 % ,more pure tin in it, dont ask me. I thought you like to know. Tin ww has the sn mark on the side, at last here in “dutchie land” europe

Best regards parkerhale

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parkerhale1200 posted this 22 March 2012

I've a little setup with ?limestone? withs i put in my pallet eating outdoor fireplace,(i'll make some pictures in the weekend) I use some hardwood like ?mahogany? ?palisander? ?bankirai? and etc That wont be hot enough to melt glass, but hot enough to melt pure antimony. For glass and iron(just fun) i use a extra steel pipe (approx 4 inch in diam and approx one yard long) I put the pipe almost into the fire/Cole's so it can suck faster air into it so the wood will burn faster and hotter.

You can also use some soft wood like pine, use small and dry pieces, the trick is that your pot must be surrounded with fire!!!but not completely covered.This is good enough for range lead with its junk with it. So just burn without smoke

1 dry wood 2 enough room for oxygen 3 enough heat in your fire When all the lead is melted you can let the fire go out and put it all with a big old spoon in your favorite 1 or 2 pound mould for further use( in my case EMPTY beer cans=6 pound)

And begin at round number two, and so on and so on.

I hope this could be a help and i hope my english is quite reasonable to understand it enough,if not just let me know and please feel free to fill me in, ill also post some pictures when i work with it

With best regards parkerhale from the eu

ps your metal can, can be red glowing, dont worry its thick enough, just see it like a paper cup filled with water, water will boil off first before the cup will burn:thinking:

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afish4570 posted this 22 March 2012

Cheap heat source is a camp fire. Wood must be avail.free or cheap. This will be be my next goal to use the campfire method to melt a large propane “pot' full of range lead...... A leaf blower really can get alot of heat once you learn how to control it. I melted some aluminum in on a piece of scrap that I used to start the fire. Thats hot. Of course the sparks blow around so safety and controlling the fire are a concern. Anyone else using wood fires and if so how???afish4570:fire:fire

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afish4570 posted this 22 March 2012

Cheap heat source is a camp fire. Wood must be avail.free or cheap. This will be be my next goal to use the campfire method to melt a large propane “pot' full of range lead...... A leaf blower really can get alot of heat once you learn how to control it. I melted some aluminum in on a piece of scrap that I used to start the fire. Thats hot. Of course the sparks blow around so safety and controlling the fire are a concern. Anyone else using wood fires and if so how???afish4570:fire:fire

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afish4570 posted this 22 March 2012

Cheap heat source is a camp fire. Wood must be avail.free or cheap. This will be be my next goal to use the campfire method to melt a large propane “pot' full of range lead...... A leaf blower really can get alot of heat once you learn how to control it. I melted some aluminum in on a piece of scrap that I used to start the fire. Thats hot. Of course the sparks blow around so safety and controlling the fire are a concern. Anyone else using wood fires and if so how???afish4570:fire:fire

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RicinYakima posted this 21 March 2012

Mitch, I have no idea what the slush is, but if you read my post of 12Mar, you can eliminate adding heat. Ric

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tturner53 posted this 21 March 2012

Scrapping the whole lot?!! Go get it out of the garbage before they pick it up Mitch. I've had slushy pots, only a few, but went ahead casting bullets from the bottom pour pot. The stuff underneath the slush made real good bullets. The only thing I've found that helps with the slush is a bunch of plain old candle wax. Keep stirring right through the flames.

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WAMitch posted this 21 March 2012

What I use to melt my alloys is a Camp Chef cooker that'll put out 60,000 btu-that's 60,000, and a pot that'll hold 125 lbs of alloy. I experienced this Slush last fall for the first time while melting down about 80 lbs of ww, and no matter how hot I ran it up, it would not go into solution. I don't think running up the temp is the answer. And scraping off the stuff just produced more. I kept the melt going for over five hours with no result, and ended up scrapping the whole lot. This batch of wws did not have any glue-on junk in it, and they all appeared to be the standard clip=ons. Now, where does that leave us?

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WAMitch posted this 21 March 2012

What I use to melt my alloys is a Camp Chef cooker that'll put out 60,000 btu-that's 60,000, and a pot that'll hold 125 lbs of alloy. I experienced this Slush last fall for the first time while melting down about 80 lbs of ww, and no matter how hot I ran it up, it would not go into solution. I don't think running up the temp is the answer. And scraping off the stuff just produced more. I kept the melt going for over five hours with no result, and ended up scrapping the whole lot. This batch of wws did not have any glue-on junk in it, and they all appeared to be the standard clip=ons. Now, where does that leave us?

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afish4570 posted this 19 March 2012

Friend gave me a 5gal. can 3/4 full with steel.????, and lead wheel wts. Sorted for 20 min. A pain, so I fired up the propane plumbers furnace and speeded up the melt with a propane brush burner on a separate 20# propane bottle. After getting some of the known lead to melt I threw in the unsorted stuff heating with brush burner. Skimmed the unmelted one off the top and continued till done. Then I fluxed twice, one with old motor oil and then old candle wax. Then skimmed the junk off the top. Next I added a cup of sulphur stirring it in judiciously (staying down wind of course) Another bunch of black ash-like material came off the top after I stirred and scraped the sides of the pot clean. I used an old propane bottle cut off for my smelting pot. Will let you know how they cast bullets if any zinc got into the pour....... I heard sulphur was supposed to help remove it......Anyone else experience this. afish4570:fire:fire

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parkerhale1200 posted this 18 March 2012

Make a camp fire outside if you can do that. Put the stuff/powder/fluff into a metal can. Stupit enough the metal can wont melt but the zinc or the antimony do melt in that metal can. (it gets white red hot) See over time or test it for what, what is. 95% what is left is zinc But this is what i have collected Make your fire not that hot enough to melt glas. This tric helps me a lot. And yes after close inspection i found pure antimony in my WW, and they are hard to put in

Pure zinc is a even price with pure lead with a scrap dealer, around here, i just get one pound of lead for one pound of zinc

I hope this helps or you can use a propane tortch as well in combo with a bbq bricks/chorcaol? (can someone help me with naming things right)

Best regards, a tired:P parkerhale with a smoking and a to warm barrel:riflebr:, it was a good weekend:fire.Tommorow comes the cleaning:(;)

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TRKakaCatWhisperer posted this 15 March 2012

Occasionally I'll see it too. I just sprinkle a little borax on it and gently jiggle a long (icedtea) spoon in the top 1/2” of it. Back and forth across the top. After a bit it settles down and all I'll have is a little grayish fluff with the metal recombined.

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