f I could get my brass to be just .050” longer, 2.080", would that be a boon for accuracy?
Case length vs. accuracy
In the Nov./Dec. 2001 ASSRA Journal article: “The Importance of Case Length in Cast Bullet Accuracy”, the author stated that short cases yield less accuracy than cases close to maximum length with cast bullets. The mechanism proposed is that the unsupported bullet in the gap between case end and chamber end will be expanded by the firing pressure, then the expanded section will be swaged down as the bullet moves through the throat-and the expansion/swaging will be uneven and cause inaccuracy. This article opened up a potential accuracy-improving easy and inexpensive shortcut. The article did not include any supporting data, so I imagined that what was put forth was a hypothesis.
To test this hypothesis I needed a rifle that shot fixed ammunition at high enough pressures, with sufficient accuracy, and for which extra long cases could be made or found.
The only rifle available to me that met these criteria was a Savage Tactical rifle with synthetic stock in 300 Winchester Magnum, fitted with a Weaver 3-9X telescopic sight. I owned this rifle for about four years, and it was reasonably accurate with cast lead bullets at slower velocities, 1200-1500 fps.
(We are told, and I believe, that cases that are too long will jam bullet and case neck into the throat of the rifle and cause very high pressures on firing.)
Pressure must be sufficient to expand the bullet into the space left by the short case. Expansion of the bullet under the gas pressure on firing is sometimes called “obturation".
In a private communication with the author, he said “”¦ obturation of lead-alloy bullets occurs at about 1500 psi times each Brinnel hardness point, e.g., a Brinnel hardness 10 bullet requires about 15,000 psi peak chamber pressure to achieve sufficient obturation to essentially fully seal the bore”
With wheel weights reported at 9-12 BHN, the pressure required to obturate would be 13,500 to 18,000 psi.
A pressure of greater than 18,000 psi was required. The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, third edition, shows a 187 grain 311334 bullet in the 300 WM with 17.5 grains of Unique at 1605 FPS and 26,400 psi. The load given below of a 208 grain bullet and 17 grains of Unique should produce at least this pressure, which exceeds the obturation threshold.
After several weeks of experimentation I found a load that shot accurately at higher velocity: The 311299 bullet was cast of newly melted wheel weights, weighing 208.5 +/-.5 grains, sized in a .314” die, lubed with the NRA alox-beeswax formula and gas checked (Hornady).
This bullet has three bands and two lube grooves along with the gas check shank. As loaded, the first band is out of the case with none/little of the first lube groove exposed.
17 grains of Unique was used with no filler, Remington L.P. #2 1/2 primers, LOA = 3.455”.
I loaded one case at the range, sizing the neck in a Lee sizer, expanding the neck in a Lyman “M” die and seating the bullet with the Lee loader.
I used this load and loading method for all groups shot in this test.
Extra long cases were made from Federal 300 H&H Magnum cases full-length sized in 300 WM dies and trimmed to about 2.660”.
The chamber would accept a case of 2.648”, .028” longer than the published case length and .033” longer than the trim-to length.
Being chicken, I trimmed the cases to 2.643”. After extensive firing, the cases measured 2.621” to 2.630”. What happened was that the tapered 300 H&H case had blown out to fill the chamber and shortened during firing.
The first test with short cases.
On March 13, 2002, using the load noted above and one R-P case measuring 2.605” long, I shot five 5 shot 100 yard groups that averaged 1.132":
The test with a long case made from a 300 H&H Magnum case
On March 21, 2002, using a case 2.630” long made from a 300 H&H Magnum case and the load noted above, I shot five 5 shot groups averaging 1.468".
After shooting, the 2.630” case was 2.626”/2.628” long, it had blown out and shortened.
The problem was that the 300 H&H cases were tapered, and a 300WM case formed from them and trimmed to just fit in the chamber, shortened after firing. I needed longer cases.
The test with a long case made from a 375 H&H Magnum case
I went to the Internet and asked for samples of 375 H&H Magnum cases, which don't have the taper of the 300 H&H. Alston Jennings was kind enough to send some. I formed three of the cases to 300 Winchester Magnum, leaving the necks long.
On March 27, 2002, with one case formed to 300WM 2.642” long and the same load, I shot five 5 shot groups averaging 1.438”
After these 25 shots the case length was 2.646”.
The test with the long 375 H&H Magnum case trimmed short
I then trimmed the case to 2.605” and shot five 5 shot groups averaging 1.036", same load as above.
After these 25 shots the case was 2.608” long vs. 2.605” before the shooting.
Lengths of 300 WM cases
“Book” case length 2.620”
“Book” trim to 2.610”
My rifle chamber length: 2.648"
Formed from 300 H&H, case length: 2.630" after firing, 2.626"/2.628"
Formed from 375 H&H, case length: 2.642" after firing, 2.648"
Formed from 375 H&H, case length: 2.605" after firing, 2.608"
Table of group sizes fired with 300 WM cases of different lengths, inches.
All these groups were shot at a pace determined by the time required for reloading the one case. No wind flags were used, the rangemaster stopped the shooting after each 15 minutes of “hot line” for target change. The gun was cleaned once at the end of the day.
Comments and Conclusions
I don't like to use cases that are close to the maximum possible length. If the case lengthens slightly, then excessively high-pressures will be experienced as the bullet and case neck are jammed into the leade/throat/ball seat..
The average group size for the 20 groups was 1.23”. Six of 20 were under an inch.
Pressure was high enough, bullet hardness was low enough (new wheel weights) and the bullet had an exposed section outside the case about 1/8” long ready to expand or obturate. I believe that the results are germane to all cast bullet shooting disciplines. There were no called flyers in 100 record shots from the bench. There was one stranger in the third group shot on 3/21/02.
I see no accuracy improvement using longer cases. The hypothesis failed this test.
One test doesn't establish the fact, but I have seen no data supporting the hypothesis that longer cases improve accuracy in soft cast bullet shooting. If longer cases do produce better accuracy, I want to know it. I would welcome any other data on either side of the issue.
Since writing the above I have worked with a Savage 12BVSS in 223, forming brass from 222 Magnum cases because the chamber/brass on hand combination resulted in a gap between the end of the case and the end of the chamber. I was not able to detect an improvement in accuracy.
And I've been working with my Martini bench rifle and a M54 Winchester rifle, both in 30/30, both with “long” chambers. Using Buffalo Arms “long” 38/55 brass, I've formed 30/30 brass about right for the chamber.
I was not able to detect an improvement in accuracy with longer cases in either of these guns. I'm still trying.
Jeff Bowles mentioned (on the CBA Forum) that he makes (from 30/06) 308 Win cases that are .0015” from the end of the chamber and that this enhances accuracy.
Frank Marshall, in “Neck Length and Accuracy In Cast Loads", TFS March-April 2005, page 174-9, mentions seeing substantial accuracy improvements when using cases with “long” necks-not to exceed the chamber case length of course.
Here are some other test results with “long” and short cases:
"The rifle was a Winchester Highwall, a hunting weight (8 1/2 - 9 lb with scope), 22” Bauska bbl and a 6x18 Bushnell Banner.
The loads and groups were as follows:
Sept. 24 '01 - 31141 - 20:1 - 12.5 gr H110
38 - 55 brass 1.25”
30 - 30 brass as above 2.3", 1.65"
Sept. 25, '01 - Lee 311155 - ww +2% - 28 gr Ammomart #44
38 - 55 brass 1.3” Called flyer, 4 in 0.75”
30 - 30 brass as above 1.60”
Oct. 6, '01 - 311403, - 20:1 - 8.3 gr Unique
38 - 55 brass 1.37”
30 - 30 brass as above 2.1", 2.8"
I started out with only 5 38 - 55 cases, so testing was a little skimpy. These cases were trimmed by trial & error to just fit the chamber length. The 30 - 30 cases were trimmed on a lee case trimmer to their standard length. The length difference was visually obvious, but I have no means of measuring it. Three different loads, different powders, different bullets, different days seemed indicative to me that I should buy brass.
It seems to me that similar results were had with my son's rifle, a rolling block with a 4x12 scope, but I'll really have to dig for those results.
In a similar vein, there was enough difference to be obvious even with iron sights when I reloaded 30 - 40 Krag with 303 British brass, then acquired 30 - 40 brass later. This was 35 or 40 yrs ago, and I don't have a real record of it.
Hope this is of some use to you.”
Grouch (Ron Haralson) on the Jouster cast bullet forum
"We have a compromise in dealing with case length in a chamber that appears to be too long. From what I did with making 308 Win from 30-06 brass, I found the max OAL for my chamber that would lock the bolt on firing yet chambered easily without any constriction of the case neck. From that experience only two things could have occurred: one, that the primer strike drove the neck into the transition and increased PSI or, two, that the cases actually stretch temporarily on firing. If there was any other explanation, I couldn't find it. As for accuracy, the factor that makes a difference is the condition of the chamber fouling from low PSI loads. An extra long chamber won't hurt accuracy as long as the extra chamber neck length is kept clear of any fouling that might be deposited."
"With cast bullets, it is particularly helpful to keep the trim length within about .010” of your chamber dimension so that when the cartridge is fired, the bullet does not enlarge (obturate) to chamber neck diameter just ahead of the case mouth.
Depending on pressure and bullet hardness, the bullet can upset into the chamber neck area just ahead of the case mouth, then the remainder of the bullet will shoot through this ring of lead. With cast bullets, an indication of this is when a portion of the above mentioned ring of lead sticks to the case mouth and is withdrawn as the case is extracted. The unwanted obturation damages the bullet's integrity and leaves a varying cylinder condition that, at best, is not conducive to good accuracy. Under some circumstances, subsequent rounds fired in that chamber could cause increased pressures.
file:///C:/Users/JOEB33~1/AppData/Local/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image002.jpgThe above can happen even to jacketed bullets with short necked cases and/or long cylinder necks.
See the photo of the resulting anomaly where there was a .050” space between the case mouth and the end of the chamber neck. The jacket expanded, and then sheared as the rest of the bullet passed through it.