SR4759 Comeback needs help!

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David Reiss posted this 02 August 2018

Recently I sent an email to Shooters World / Lovex managing partner over ballistics, Ken Johnson about the possibility of producing a SR4759 clone. He enthusiastically responded that they would definitely be interested in doing so. He indicated that they may already have a powder that does so in their expanded list of powders produced for the European market under the Lovex brand.

Now here is the kicker, he needs 8 ounces to test in their lab to see if it can be duplicated. At this point we have a source in the northwest, but due to shipping issues, he would prefer to do a hand to hand exchange. He asked if we had someone in the Alabama, Georgia or Florida area he would be available for pickup. 

So we need a CBA member with 8 ounces to donate to this effort in one of the above states. Please contact me if you can help. A notice will go out in the newsletter and FS asking for help. But if someone could commit now, it would get the process started. 

In addition he said they would be willing to advertise the powder as "being a request from the CBA", which will help to promote the CBA.  

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
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Green Frog posted this 02 June 2022

My reason for interest in an exact replacement for IMR 4759 comes from its use with old, soft steel barrels in the single shot games (like Schuetzen). By actual, systematic and objective testing it was shown over thirty years ago to be gentler and less likely to damage (read “ring the chamber&rdquo in our old barrels.  It meters like sticks and twigs and I wouldn’t bother unless it had those advantages. Glad my personal supply is still pretty good and would be happy to see an exact replacement become available.

Froggie

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JimmyDee posted this 30 May 2022

It's been about 3-1/2 years since the initial post in this thread and the encouraging "they were just starting testing of some possible candidates" follow-up.  Glad to read that there's still hope.

The remarks in forum posts and pictures of shooters at matches lead me to believe that many CBA members are like me: over 70 and, if a SR4759 replacement becomes available, we're going to buy more than we can shoot in the years we have left.

Someone's going to some great deals at my estate sale...

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David Reiss posted this 29 May 2022

Just an update, nothing more. As of today, the project is still on. Maybe more news later this summer. 

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Spindrift posted this 16 February 2022

I’ve never tried SR4759. I live in Norway, and imr powders are scarce-no current importers here. Not so strange, considering Norma and Vihtavouri are just around the corner.

If you have problems due to dwindling amounts of SR4759, I would suggest you try Vihtavuori N110. This is an excellent cast bullet propellant for your 16-1800 fps GC loads. It works well in large cases, ignites well in cold weather, excellent accuracy, meters quite well. It is an extruded single- base powder with relatively small kernels. Filler or powder-positioning agent unnecessary.

 

Typical loads with lubed GC bullets in cartridge- typical weights:

.222 rem 10-12 grs

.223 rem 11-13grs

6,5x55 15-17grs

30/30 14-16grs

.308 win 17-19grs

30-06 18-20grs

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GBertolet posted this 16 February 2022

I love that powder also. I have a jug and a half left. I use it for all my cast bullet shooting, from the 30-30 to the 458. If we didn't have a primer shortage, I would be running near empty by now.

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Green Frog posted this 16 February 2022

Just going through some old posts and thought I'd check to see whether there had been any progress on this project.  I'm down to my last 8-10 lb of 4759, and need to know whether to hope for a refill or look for a replacement(?)  Inquiring minds...

Froggie

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John Carlson posted this 22 December 2018

Heard from Ken Johnson at Shooters World about 2 weeks ago, they were just starting testing of some possible candidates.  Hope to hear soon.

John Carlson. CBA Director of Military Competition.

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GWarden posted this 22 December 2018

sr4759 gave me the best accuracy in breech seating 38.55 and for use in my 30.06 & 30.40. Was very fortunate to end up with 32# before it all disappeared. I have found a replacement t for 38.55 & 32.40 that gives better accuracy when breech seating; haven't tried it yet in fixed ammo- Alliant 300MP.  One must use mag. primers with this powder to get the best accuracy. Some getting good results in the 22 hornet with this powder as well. Burn rate for this powder is right next to sr4759. A friend has done lots of work with it in the 32.40 &38.55, has shot over 40# of it and is sold on it as his go to powder.

Bob

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Redleged posted this 22 December 2018

Hi all. I know this is an old thread, but just wanted to see if there was any traction on this? I bought some Shooter's World Long Rifle and Buffalo Rifle from Grafs & Sons (at a very reasonable price.) I'm in the process of working up loads now, but overall, I'm happy with what I'm seeing. I would love to see Lovex make a clone/equivalent of the SR4759 simply because I missed out on buying a bunch of it when it was discontinued. Ed

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rhbrink posted this 07 August 2018

No idea I can only guess that Shooters World was working with one of the latter versions of 5744 I would prefer the first 5744 myself and would really be happy with the original 4759. 

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RicinYakima posted this 07 August 2018

What version of 5744? I would b interested in the early MR5744 made by the Israelis, but not the second two versions.

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rhbrink posted this 06 August 2018

The Shooters World imports  a powder named "Buffalo" which is as I understand a very close replacement  for 5744 which is very close to 4759. I have worked with it some in the '06 and currently trying some in a 38-55 still trying to find the right load. 

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Ed Harris posted this 06 August 2018

I don't see it happening unless there were a government use for it.  SR4759 was originally used for loading cal. .30 plastic frangible training ammunition and was discontinued when the government requirement went away.  Trail Boss was/is a smokeless replacement for black in maritime line throwing and whaling applications, as well as for the propelling charge in 40mm grenades and explosive bolts for air ordnance.  It will be around for a while, but I don't see cast bullet users being able to provide enough demand for them to produce SR4759 again without a government application.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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David Reiss posted this 04 August 2018

We have two volunteers that are near Ken Johnson, so I don't think we will need any more unless these two fall through, which I don't think will happen.

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
- Also deal in: Land, Banjos, Nails, Firearms, Manure, Fly Swatters, Used Cars, Whisky, Racing Forms, Rare Antiquities, Lead, Used Keyboard Keys, Good Dogs, Pith Helmets & Zulu Headdresses. .

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shastaboat posted this 04 August 2018

I have a over a half pound of SR4759 that I would donate.  I'm in Reno, NV and if someone would email me at [email protected] we can figure out how to get it there.

Because I said so!

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Green Frog posted this 04 August 2018

Back about 15-20 years ago when I was shooting mostly with ASSRA, Winchester single shots were my go-to rifles and 32-40 was my go-to caliber/cartridge.  I read everything I could find and talked to all of my colleagues in ASSRA who would sit still long enough and developed a sort of standard loading for myself of 13.6 grains of 4759 behind first a 165 grain bullet and later 185 grainers (breech seated) or 200 grain bullets which were usually breech seated but sometimes shot "fixed" as well.  They worked well in that less-than-pristine original high wall barrel out to 100 yards and could stretch to 200 with fair success, With my other high wall I used a new Green Mountain barrel and I also spent some time shooting a Ruger Number 1 that had been rebarreled in 32-40 with a heavy Douglas barrel.  There may have been other powders and load combinations that would have shot better in one or the other of these guns, but that load shot well in all of them.  I went around just before I retired (and when I heard that 4759 was being discontinued again) and bought up as much of it as I could find (and afford.)  I've still got 10-12 pounds left, but if I start shooting again as much as I had planned to, it could go away quickly.  I'd love to see a new supply of the same powder or a very close equivalent.  

The original 4759 was gentle on the barrel, not position sensitive, and worked well at a variety of pressures so reduced loads worked well for target use, but higher velocity loadings worked well too.  Yes, I would definitely like to see all of that be available again!

Froggie

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Bohica793 posted this 04 August 2018

I have part of a bottle of SR4759 and I live in SW Alabama near the Florida line (Fairhope, AL).  I will be more than willing to donate this to the cause.

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David Reiss posted this 03 August 2018

As a manufacturer of smokeless powder they have certain rules to adhere to, so we have to do it their way. As of today we have a volunteer step forward that lives nearby. When I have updates I will let you know. 

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
- Also deal in: Land, Banjos, Nails, Firearms, Manure, Fly Swatters, Used Cars, Whisky, Racing Forms, Rare Antiquities, Lead, Used Keyboard Keys, Good Dogs, Pith Helmets & Zulu Headdresses. .

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Hamish posted this 03 August 2018

I live in southeast Tn. and would be willing to donate eight ounces of 4759.

 

If shake were closer to Owensboro, I would suggest taking it to Jeff at GI Brass and have him mail it. Could someone not take I take it prepackaged in a powder bottle in a good cardboard box to their local gun store that sells gun powder and pay them the Haz Mat fee to ship direct?  Buying pull down powder usually costs me $25-30 for the fee.

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OU812 posted this 03 August 2018

TTT you have PM

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