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jr460 posted this 17 January 2022

Hello CBA Members, 

I am David Williams, owner of Hunters Supply, looking to mass produce powder coated bullets.

All ideas will be appreciated. I have fought doing this but the advantages just keep on adding up.

1 Cleaner Firearm

2 Less Leading

3 Cleaner Silencers

4 Less Smoke

5 Less lead exposure

These advantages are the next evolution in lead bullets. All help and ideas will be greatly appreciated for mass production. I have no trouble doing 500 at a time, I am needing 100,000+ bullets per day minimum.

The requirements on Hi TEK bullet coating instructions requires Acetone or MEK both require my employees to wear hazmat suit which are not good.

Thanks for your input. 

David Williams

Hunters Supply

Regina, New Mexico 

 

1000 yards easy

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gnoahhh posted this 17 January 2022

Those parameters always struck me as advantageous in an indoor range, but rather a moot point outdoors.

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Squid Boy posted this 17 January 2022

jr450, it seems to me that if you need to produce 100K+ per day, you need a fully automated system. Starting with molding all the way through to boxing, labeling and shipping. There are a number of outfits that do automated powder coating lines but they are usually parts that can be handled via overhead conveyor. Lead bullets presents a whole different level of handling problems. Nordson is in Ohio and I have worked with them on special projects before. I think they might have the engineering you need to make that work. Get ready for some sticker shock though. Good luck, Squid Boy

"Squid Pro Quo"

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Spindrift posted this 17 January 2022

I have no experience in such mass production. A productive coating session for me, is like 150 bullets.

 

This video might be worth looking into. I believe it is hard to avoid wet coating techniques when mass producing. Electrostatic techniques will probably always be more labour- intensive.

 

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Good luck!

 

PS an addition to your list of advantages, is the greatly increased tolerance of coated bullets. I particularily enjoy the increased capabilities of PC plain based bullets in my bottleneck rifle cartridges.

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Bud Hyett posted this 18 January 2022

The video is very enlightening. and the use of common equipment such as a concrete mixer is a good idea. Cheap and long-lasting.

The first step is a serious marketing survey to see if recreational shooters will buy enough bullets to justify the equipment upgrades. I've seen several shops go under when they upgraded and did not have enough new market to justify the added expense. Most shooters are looking for a cheap bullet to reload and not interested in the benefit of a better bullet.

Do thorough research not only on the present environmental regulations, but any proposed. Working in aerospace, where four decades ago the number of sold airplanes needed to regain the design and tooling cost was 100, today the number is 500. The increase in environmental regulations with the cost of these records has driven costs up. The capabilities of the new planes is greater and these planes offer a better long-term payback to the airlines, but getting to first flight and then a production certificate is a longer and more costly journey. 

 Adding protective suits for the workers not only is a first cost, but maintenance of the suits is an additional recurring cost burden. Where does this regulation come from? Does the use require full suits or merely protective gear? Are there alternative ways to use MEK - enclosed hoods and gloves?

With the restrictions on lead bullets today, you might see if the local indoor ranges will allow these bullets and add that information to the marketing plan. Where one local range allowed only jacketed bullets, after a discussion they allowed graphite and powder-coated bullets. The powder coating will stay on the bullet in the bore and reduce leading.

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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MarkinEllensburg posted this 19 January 2022

snip... Most shooters are looking for a cheap bullet to reload and not interested in the benefit of a better bullet... snip

This is a universal truth. The rest of what Bud is saying is sage advice. Worker safety and economies of scale.

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jr460 posted this 21 February 2022

Hello CBA members

Thank you for some great ideas and will be introducing some great powder coated bullets soon. 

The first bullets to be introduced will be;

RCBS 22 with the gas check shank removed so it will be around a 56 grain flat base 

RCBS 243/6mm with gas check shank removed so it should be around 96 to 100 grain flat base

Lyman # 266673 with gas check shank removed so it should be 150 to 155 grain flat base

I will be offering an introduction of 500 bullets to CBA members for free, with a request of a data report on how they work for you.

Send your shipping information by email to [email protected] on which bullet you would like to test.

Thank you CBA

David Williams

Hunters Supply  

 

1000 yards easy

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