HNT class question

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pat i posted this 24 October 2023

Can a plunger type ejector be removed in HNT class. The rules lean towards no but I see its allowed for PRO rifles. It's not a permanent change and would help people from chasing brass around and easily reinstalled for hunting purposes. Especially the load one case guys.

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Tom Acheson posted this 25 November 2023

Pat want's to finish this this topic. I would just add that thei CBA rules do not prohibit loading @ the bench using 2-3 cases. It is still "fixed ammunition" and suject to any rule requirements, like checking the load.

I tried it once with my 30 PPC but always was down to the wire timing wise with the allowed firing time. If you can do it, and you think your results are good doing it, then do it!

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pat i posted this 25 November 2023

Since I started this thread I figure I should finish it....hopefully. The stock spring and ejector will stay in the bolt. As for the brass getting by me now and then my solution is to slowly open the bolt until just before the brass will be ejected and then run around the bench as fast as I can wearing a catchers mitt and catch the brass out of mid-air. Problem solved with no rule changes needed and everyone's happy.

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Brodie posted this 25 November 2023

I am primarily a hunter, and all of my rifles have the ejectors in place, with full spring tension, when I shoot off of the bench I simply reach under the rifle and catch the brass as it is ejected from the bolt. I do not see nor understand the problem with doing this. Maybe there is one for some people, but heck that is life, and the lifting of the bolt with the right hand and finishing the bolt travel with the left seems to me to be a very good way of not having to chase brass that is bouncing under every one else's feet.

B.E.Brickey

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pat i posted this 18 November 2023

Pat,

Thanks for the clarification.

So it looks like it WAS a Sako ejector? I have it heard to be called a Sako "extractor" but maybe that expression was incorrect like mine?

tom

Tom this picture is of a stock Remington bolt on the right and a Remington bolt converted for a Sako extractor on the left. From what I understand this was done because the stock extractor didn't work very well with ejecting short cases like the PPC. The Sako fixed that issue. The ejector is the little pin sticking out of the right side of both bolt faces. I know Sako makes a replacement ejector but don't believe there'd be an advantage to replacing the stock one. If your bolt doesn't have the ejector in place it's for the very reason I started this thread, to not have to chase brass. And possibly to gain some perceived accuracy advantage of the spring loaded ejector cocking the case in the chamber, real or not.

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Tom Acheson posted this 18 November 2023

Pat,

Thanks for the clarification.

So it looks like it WAS a Sako ejector? I have it heard to be called a Sako "extractor" but maybe that expression was incorrect like mine?

tom

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pat i posted this 18 November 2023

Lino,

The case is a modified Lapua 6BR Remington. The claws on the bolt face just hold onto the case until I pull the case off of the bolt face. I think, not sure, that the extractor is (was) a Sako. There is no pin in the hole or a spring behind it.

Tom

Tom I think Lino was just kidding with you. The extractor is the claw on the bolt that pulls the case from the chamber. The ejector is the thing that pitches the case out of the action. If there's a hole in the bolt face but no spring or pin someone must have removed it at some point. I'm sure it was just a mix up of part names on your part.

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Tom Acheson posted this 18 November 2023

Lino,

The case is a modified Lapua 6BR Remington. The claws on the bolt face just hold onto the case until I pull the case off of the bolt face. I think, not sure, that the extractor is (was) a Sako. There is no pin in the hole or a spring behind it.

Tom

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linoww posted this 17 November 2023

"Opening a bolt slowly" reminds me of my current CBA match gun. This XP-100 does not have an extractor, so after the shot, you just pull the bolt back, any speed you want, reach into the ejection port and pull the fired case of the bolt face. You get used to it, not a big deal.

Tom

That's amazing you can get the case to come out with no extractor

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Tom Acheson posted this 17 November 2023

"Opening a bolt slowly" reminds me of my current CBA match gun. This XP-100 does not have an extractor, so after the shot, you just pull the bolt back, any speed you want, reach into the ejection port and pull the fired case of the bolt face. You get used to it, not a big deal.

Tom

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pat i posted this 15 November 2023

I'm pretty sure Pat knows how to slowly open a bolt action rifle so the case doesn't fly out too far!

In a hunter class light sporter the accuracy gain with ejector removed /lightened would be about as noticeable as weighing and sorting primers...

Thanks George. Believe or not I'm not quite as stupid as I look. My question was could you not I'm gonna do it or already have. I have one 30/06 and would never even consider buying another one with a fixed ejector for the sole purpose of shooting hunter class. I can most assuredly deal with the plunger throwing brass past my dirty fingers once in a great while. Since I load one case at the bench I'll just have an extra handy so I'm not crawling around the shooter next to me feet during a match if one takes off flying. No big deal. Trying to get a plain base agging an inch or so is aggravating enough without worrying about what kind of ejector the gun has. I doubt ejector or no ejector is going to make my life that much easier.

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linoww posted this 15 November 2023

I'm pretty sure Pat knows how to slowly open a bolt action rifle so the case doesn't fly out too far!

In a hunter class light sporter the accuracy gain with ejector removed /lightened would be about as noticeable as weighing and sorting primers...

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Premod70 posted this 15 November 2023

The lightening of ejector tension or removing the spring entirely can be viewed by some as an accuracy aid. If chasing brass is a problem use a rifle with a claw feed extractor and adjust your bolt speed to lessen the chance of a fired case flying errantly. Be reminded though most of the claw feed rifles require the cartridge be fed through the magazine thus the chance of a battered bullet being chambered. Best to learn how to pull the bolt rearward enough that your other hand can cover the ejection port before the case clears the action. In reality the concern is worthless when one considers all the other rules in the game, jmho.

Forrest Gump is my smarter brother.

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Tom Acheson posted this 30 October 2023

Ken,

Back in my handgun silhouette days, we had an annual International Tournament, often times in Ft. Stockton, TX. Usualyy late July. The guys who shot cast bullets would store their ammo in small coolers with ice packs, something to do with controlling bullet lube migration.

Tom

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Larry Gibson posted this 30 October 2023

That's a pretty long shot "what if".

I just offered my opinion. I didn't say a plunger style ejector had to absolutely be in the bolt or you couldn't reload one case at the bench to compete. That was my opinion is all. If the rules allow it then either can be done.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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linoww posted this 30 October 2023

what if your plunger(and or) spring was broken and a replacement couldn't be found.Would this disqualify your rifle from Hunter Class?

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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pat i posted this 26 October 2023

hmmm ... is freezing your ammo allowed in Hunter Class ? ... just wondering ....

ken, ........ running for cover ....

Good question. Not that I understand what the heck its supposed to mean but a good question none the less.

Pat. .....scratching his head in confusion

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 26 October 2023

hmmm ... is freezing your ammo allowed in Hunter Class ? ... just wondering ....

ken, ........ running for cover ....

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linoww posted this 25 October 2023

that's about as simple as it can get.

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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pat i posted this 25 October 2023

Here's my bench loading set up. I've covered RCBS, LEE, WIlson, Homemade, Lyman, Federal, Lapua, Accurate Molds and Grace USA. Even have a little Italian chef to keep me company. How anyone could find fault with me using such a diverse and inclusive set of tooling is beyond me. Maybe some guys need a little sensitivity training.