Seems like tumble lube is the way to go. Is there an advantage to using a lubrisizer? I did look at the posts and saw some about lubrisizers, but it seems like everyone tumble lubes their bullets.
Does anyone NOT use a lubrisizer?
Is there an advantage to using one? Like maybe for really high velocity loads? (My newest project is cast 223 loads.)
Please don't tell me my Lyman 450 is nothing but an expensive relic.
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Just finished casting, sizing, lubing over 1,000 (55 gr Lee bullets). These are a pain because they are so small but I've got Spring ground squirrel shoots coming up. I shoot them at 2000 fps in several .223/5.56 rifles at 1 minute of angle accuracy.
Because I said so!
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I use the 450 to do all my boolits ,the only time I use Alox is when I use 00 buckshot for my 30cal ,other then that the 450 is all I use to lube and size. Also to put my GC on also. I make my own NRA lube with ATF.
I had to have the handle threads replace on my 450 for all the use . I had my gunsmith fix it for me.
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I have a Lyman 450 & two 45's. I made lube heaters for all . . . love 'em! I also have Lee push through dies coupled with LLA. Love them too!
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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I don't conventionally lube many bullets these days as powder coating fits the type of shooting I do very well. I do have a Saeco lube-sizer and it has always preformed to expectations. Most of my sizing is done using the Noe push through bushings and the Lee push through dies.. As to seating the gas checks (homemade aluminum) the Noe gas check seating die is just the ticket for seating the checks tight and square 99% + success. They do however still need to be run through a sizer after application to crimp them on.. Gp
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Got my first Lyman 450 in '68 and have been using it and 3 other Lyman 450s ever since. I have one filled with my own BP lube, one with BAC for handgun bullets, one with 2500+ and one with Javelina (still have a few tubes left). None are permanently attached to the loading bench as I C clamp whichever I am going to use to the edge of the bench. The bench was made to do that.
I also TL with LLA and find it works well, especially when light coats are applied and it is allowed to thoroughly dry after each coat. I use it on some TL bullets if they are going to be sized down more than .002". However, my 38, 41 and 44 TL bullets are most often sized and lubed in the Lyman 450 with BAC.
I have made it a habit to just TL commercial cast handgun bullets that have a hard wax lube with LLA. That most often prevents leading or at least reduces it to a manageable level that cleans out easily.
Doubt I will give up my 450s and might even pick up another one or a 4500.
LMG
Concealment is not cover.........
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Always have, always will. Sixty years hunting, exclusively with homecast projectiles. A hand me down Ideal #5 sized and applied some "Best "Lube". Even through my days of competition in High Power and Long Range, when cast projectiles were forced aside for wins, some "Best Lube" was applied to the jacketed projectile. With those two mentioned disciplines as exceptions, all my competitive shooting was done using a Lyman 450 sized and "Best Lube" lubed homecast projectile. I know, I know, competitive shooting is designed around us ego driven alphas'. Competitive shooting also sorts out in quick order, what does not work! My shooting prowess is detailed in many other posts within this and other venue, so the chest pounding will be short. My wins come almost exclusively using cast projectiles competing against jacketed projectiles. In competition, quite often it is only myself using cast. One lube is all I have and use. While three different Lyman/Ideal lubrisizers are owned by me, one is out on loan and the #5 is on permanent display. My age deterioration is what is now pulling me down in ranking, not equipment, not technique nor lube. You folks keep hammering away and maybe discover the grail.
Roy
Shoot often, Shoot well
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I've never tumble lubed a bullet in my life! I currently use a 40's vintage Star lubrisizer, a 60's vintage lyman 450 and a 2007 vintage RCBS lubrisizer! No reason to try anything new!
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I've lubed enough Bullets lately that I've finished out the last of the 50/50 in my old Lyman 450 and am using WLL BAC, shoot's clean & very little smoke.
That being said, the 1000 rounds of .44mag Cowboy ammo that I loaded up for my Chiropractor Buddy is now getting shot up. I loaded new starline brass with a N.O.E. #TL432-240-RF cast of #2, sized in a Lee .430 sizer and lubed with WLL 45/45/10. they end up being .4305dia.
My Buddy has fired about 350rds in Matches and is very happy with the easier clean-up. I guess maybe his previous bullet source didn't cast/size/lube properly. There is no longer any leading problem.
I don't know if it's the lube or the Beautifully/Perfectly Bullets cast by My humble self.
It's my 1st experience with Tumble Lubing. Works pretty darn good.
I've also mastered Powder Coating.
But I'm not giving up My old Lyman 450. I think I just like doing it the way I grew up using my DAD'S Star & Lyman 45.
Something very satisfying about Loading/Shooting a bullet Lubed/Sized in a yellow Brass case. Kinda a link to the old Buffalo hunters and my Grandfather teaching his Sons about HandLoading using a Single cavity mold, pan lubing and a 310 tong tool.
Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.
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I have a Lyman 450 that isn't even mounted on my bench. It is my fault because when I built the bench's 18 yrs ago I put the wrong top on. Everything except my muzzle-loader is lubed with WLL 45-45-10, and sized in a Lee or NOE push through die which seats the gas checks just fine. THe Muzzle-loader is pan lubed with SPG and sized in a Lee push through. eventually I will get around to buying a heater for the 450 and mounting the set up on a bench, but for now It all works quite well for me.
Squid is excellent bait, and a lot easier to fly line (no weight) than anchovies.
B.E.Brickey
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I have one Lyman 450 and several Lee push-through's plus a bunch of push-through's I made. Almost all of the lube I use now is home-made and most of the time either dipped or pan lubed. Squid
"Squid Pro Quo"
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Because there is no standardization on muzzle loaders I must size my .50 caliber bullets to .499 to fit in the tight bore that Fred Rodney designed for the GA-93 Magnum rifle. Otherwise, I'm relegated to sabot use with 44 cal. pistol bullets.
I shoot, therefore I am
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I have four:
Pan lubrication for me has been a consistent disaster
Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest
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The key to using a luber/sizer for any cast bullet including 22 cal is to make sure you use a nose punch that fits the profile of the bullet.
Because I said so!
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I started our in 1959 with a Lyman 45 and today use a pair of Lyman 450s. I am still old school.
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Does any one ever PC and size in a Lube-Sizer ?
Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.
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Greetings,
Yes, occasionally I use the lubrisizer. However, all I cast at the present time are for my 45-70s. Normally I use pan lubing with SPG, but every once in a while I again use the lubrisizer. The biggest reason is my die is just too small for good fit of the bullet to the rifling. I could either order a new die, but Lyman does not carry the size I need, have a new die made or check with other makers, hone out the die I have, or, cheapest, continue to pan lube which has given me my best groups so far (under 3 inches at 100 yards using BP and original sights). Maybe sometime I will get another die, or when I start casting for other rifles get dies. If I do that, I may have to get another lubrisizer for lube other than SPG. Meantime, what I have works for me.
TK
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"Do people still use lubrisizers"
My sizing-lubing operation consist of two Saeco lube - sizers and the NOE push through sizing tool, both with a selection of base and nose bushings for the NOE tool.
The short answer is yes, depending on what I happen to be loading for and the bullets intended use at the time
Rifles -- All the time
Handguns -- It's plain base as cast if I can, with tumble lube when I'm replacing my ammo stash..
Without a lot of boring detailed blather, I find tumble lube time consuming and messy and doesn't produce the consistent results at the target that I can get with stick lube and a sizer when used for my rifle bullets. And I like the ability of the above sizers to seat gas checks flat and square every time.
R
Agree with R. Dupraz on tumble lube. Never liked the mess or the results. I have 4 lube/sizers. Lyman 450 was my first one, bought new and now is the dedicated black powder luber. I have one RCBS original Lub-o-matic, bought used for $40, that has White Label's BAC in it. And two RCBS LAM 2's, both bought used. One is a dedicated sizer only with some of the parts removed for nose first sizing and the other has LBT Blue soft in it. I have never experimented with powder coating.
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max503, I set my Pacific die so that there is maximum mechanical advantage where the bullet just clears of the die and I can pick if off with my fingers. My match bullets are cast out of linotype based alloy and it helps to give every third one a touch of case sizing lube on the first band. Ric
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