Cast Bullet Venison

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shootcast posted this 20 May 2022

Some ask if cast bullets make good hunting bullets. I enjoy hunting with my TC Contender Carbine. No I don’t shoot wall hangers. I hunt for meat. The properties I hunt I can’t be selective but hunt long enough and I get meat for the freezer. Venison burgers on the grill get served a couple times a year at our matches. No complaints yet. The ole 30-30 gets it done. Both the Lyman 041 and my favorite RCBS 180 FN are good choices. I’m not a long distance shooter. A good frisbee throw on the average in timber and occasionally a 100 yard shot. If I hunted where a longer shot could be taken I wouldn’t hesitate out to about 200 yards. Up for a new challenge give it a try. I’ve taken more deer with the 30-30 than any other caliber.  I just like it and you don’t need a cannon. 

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Rich/WIS posted this 20 May 2022

Don't know if they count as cast bullets but have put a good bit of venison in the freezer with patched RB's in 45, 50 and 54 caliber from both flint and percussion ML's.

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mashburn posted this 23 May 2022

Hello shootcast,

Enjoyed your post, very few articles and pictures get posted on the forum pertaining to hunting and the taking of game. Evidently, we have more members who prefer to shoot targets on paper rather than targets which are covered with hair. I myself am one of the shooters that prefer my target to have hair on it.

Your statements about the 30-30 being overlooked by hunters is entirely true. I myself am 78 years old, I don't consider myself to be a great professional hunter, but I have taken more than my fair share of deer, with more calibers and firearm types than most hunters.  Now back to your point, I have never lost a deer that I shot with a 30-30. I cannot say that about some of the smaller caliber pop guns. I've been away from the 30-30 for several years but am now getting back into them. I just purchased a Star Remington Rolling Block carbine clone, in 30-30 Winchester. I'm in the process of working up loads. At present, I'm loading up some 180gr, gc, powder coated flat nose loads and some 170 gr. jacketed loads. I've been hunting with one of my wildcats, a 375 Cogburn, but I plan on using the 30-30 some this fall.

Keep up the good work with the 30-30 and again, I enjoyed your post.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 23 May 2022

mr. mashburn :::

how is the trigger on that rolling block ? ...   

i always thought a guy could make a rolling block in his home shop ...   the receiver block is pretty simple .. no broaching required ... just lap in the final cam ...

but i can't figure up a better trigger than just the 22 squirrel rifle type ...  but that is not terrible, maybe carbide contact surfaces.

ken

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mashburn posted this 23 May 2022

Hello Ken,

When I first received the little rifle, the trigger was horrible. It would be hard to estimate just how heavy the trigger pull was. I couldn't wait to shoot it and dug up a few factory rounds and went to the rifle range. the rifle has a 3- leaf folding rear sight. At fifty yards the lowest rear leaf was dead on in elevation, but the trigger was so heavy I kept pulling to the left. I took it to the shop and went to work on it. The hammer spring was a little heavy, so I thinned it a little keeping the same tapering whip shape. That didn't help very much. The trigger spring is the culprit, why they put such a heavy trigger return spring in, I don't know. I kept thinning and testing, and came up with a great trigger. I didn't fool with putting a trigger over travel stop  in. The hammer and trigger engagement full cock notch was very good.. very little engagement and extremely smooth.

In Frank Dehause's book  "Gunsmithing Single Shots", he has a section on converting rolling block actions to coil main springs. A very simple operation.  As far as building an action in the shop; I have a friend  who does investment castings of all the old single shot rifles and does about all of the rolling blocks. You can buy complete rolling block action kits or single peices,  that you might need to rebuild and old action. They are cast from 8620 case hardening steel. If you don't want to case harden you can blue and use them as is. If you built one of these, it probably wouldn't very hard to convince me to color case it for you.

I used to have no use for rolling block actions, but now I like them. I have a beautiful rifle built on a smokeless action in .257 Ack. Imp. Roberts. It is built in the 1950's-60's style. Absolutely perfect.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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tlkeizer posted this 24 May 2022

Shootcast,

Venison sure seems to taste better when garnered by your own casting, doesn't it.  Nice.  

I have shot both a deer and a caribou with cast round ball out of a .58 CVA Big Bore Mountain Rifle, both DDRT.  I have been out after caribou using cast with my trapdoors, a 25-06, and my .308, but no caribou wanted to join me for dinner when I had any of them out.  Been after moose and bear too with the 45-70's, same result.  For the bear I had a backup .375 "just in case" .  Oh well, maybe this fall.

I have another friend that says the deer today sure are a lot harder to kill now than when he was young according to the sports writers, he also says according to the magazines his .69 isn't powerful enough, it's a good thing the game can't read.  Nice work with your "thuty-thuty".

TK

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mashburn posted this 25 May 2022

Hello again shootcast,

I would like to ask, what alloy that you are shooting and at what velocity, Also, how much expansion are you getting with your alloy, at the speed they are traveling?

Thanks,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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shootcast posted this 25 May 2022

Mashburn 

I have used and tried different alloys over the years. The third edition Lyman manual has a chapter on hunting with cast bullets. They recommend nothing harder than number 2 but the softer the better. #2 doesn’t expand much if any. ( BHN 15 ) Air cooled wheel weights better (BHN @10 or so ) Probably the best if it will shoot for you is 50/50 mix w/wts. & plumbers lead. This alloy will expand and can be pushed to good velocities for hunting. Soft alloy can lead a barrel. Check the barrel condition as you work your loads up. My favorite for the 30-30 comes from the old and probably only published RCBS manual. (1960’s -70’s ) IMR 3031. 180 gr. Bullet 28.0 gr. Max charge listed but not my endorsement. But my load is just under this and Chrony ‘s just over 1900 FPS.  The TC has a 23 inch barrel. The 50/50 mix drops bullets about 190 grains from my mold. When hunting it’s not likely to shoot more than once or twice. Hunting with a single shot makes you aware of this. But my point even if alloy leads it won’t much and a good cleaning should be done anyway. With Lyman 041 Bullet I worked a light load for very close range hunting. I was asked to hunt in basically someone’s back yard. The deer in this area ate up the flowers and ruined the shrubbery. The owner loved venison but didn’t hunt. It was hard to say no but Honestly I didn’t feel comfortable. They insisted and the neighbors were ok with it. I hunted from a elevated stand as to shoot down into the ground. I used the 041 with 15.0 grains of 2400 powder. About maybe 1500fps velocity. I took a couple deer there with this load.  I butchered the deer and split the harvest with them. Nothing here over twenty yards. Back to Bullet alloy. I read and tried annealed nose cast bullets. If your rifle won’t shoot the soft alloy you can use a harder alloy then anneal by standing the bullets up in a shallow pail of water. The water needs to be covering the bands of the bullet. With a propane torch you move the flame back and forth across the Bullet. Eventually you will see the lead start to turn liquid or at least appear to. The trick if there is one is not to melt the bullet and ruin it. I believe this does work but how do you know if your getting equal softening. My limited test shows about a 2 BHN difference. BTW, Lyman manual doesn’t recommend using anything under 30 caliber for deer. It’s true you don’t get a lot of expansion but soft cast will duplicate factory jacketed. If you need a bigger hole use a bigger caliber. Muzzle loaders have been taking deer longer with soft lead and velocities probably well under 1800fps. I’m a cast Bullet nut. I like to tinker. I’m certainly no expert and basically not a Benchrest shooter. I do attend local matches and have been to our National Tournaments. I shoot because I enjoy it. But I admit I’m more of a plinker. Please consider attending a local match. The people you meet are all friendly and will try to help you. No local no problem. Start a program in your area. The CBA will welcome you and help you get started. Have fun while we still can. Be safe and enjoy. Thanks for asking, Dave

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