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BJung posted this 10 January 2025

That's good he saved his firearms. I lost 2 Swiss rifles in a CA fire. The temperature was so high that the engine blocks melted.

Yes, Newsom is to blame and he should be sued for it.

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Premod70 posted this 10 January 2025

Not trying to be smart but I would never plant my roots in a place where the houses are that close to one another. Now the lack of water pressure should have never been a concern with a responsible government, if so, those houses should never been allowed to be built in the first place.

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delmarskid posted this 10 January 2025

My nephew is in charge of a crew working on the fires. He’s from Susanville in the north. He’s been a busy man for far too long.

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Brodie posted this 10 January 2025

I lived in that pest hole for over 50 years until my wife wanted to come to AZ so she could be near her mother. We have just as bad a fire problem here as they do in CA, but at least we have a Forest Service and BLM that will listen. They have been trimming and grooming the Forest near my home for about four to six years now. Nobody wants to lose their home or burn up in a conflagration.

Those fires in LA County are completely the fault of the state Government. They absolutely refuse to cut fire breaks on those hillsides, and as a result, once they start in that chaparral, the fires just get bigger and bigger. The hotshots around here tell me that none of them wanted to be sent to California during fire season because the fires were so much worse out in California. And, it will stay like it is until the people of Calif. dump those idiots in Sacramento and put in some folks who will do the job that is necessary.

B.E.Brickey

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sandwman posted this 10 January 2025

He received a warning about an hour or so ahead of time. He and his wife were also able to save many family heirlooms, but as you might expect, it is not enough in the wake of this tragedy, I told him to make a list of items he lost and I would see what I could do to try to help him replace the items..

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sandwman posted this 10 January 2025

Not trying to be smart but I would never plant my roots in a place where the houses are that close to one another. Now the lack of water pressure should have never been a concern with a responsible government, if so, those houses should never been allowed to be built in the first place.

Your not being smart, but uninformed. My friend was living in the home that his farther built in 1959 and the business he lost was one his father had also started in the 1950s and with the help of his son they built it up to what is was before the fires came. They were not rich men as they owned a plumbing supply business.

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Eutectic posted this 10 January 2025

The home insurance companies are bailing from CA. You will not be able to get insurance and if you do find a carrier it will be so expensive you cannot afford it.

Politicians in Sacramento have been warned about this for years and told what to do about it. They will blame global warming and go on wasting tax dollars on worthless socialist projects.

California voters did this and it will continue until they change. The only thing a rational person can do is LEAVE and many are doing just that.

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BJung posted this 12 January 2025

The houses that are THE house they reply on to live in are the most effected compared to the rich actors who own other properties and have investment properties. My theory in the past is that the Liberals don't believe Common People deserve to live in the wilderness but in the cities. Only their Liberal Contacts and Rich can live there. They don't care if the others get burned out.

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Ed Harris posted this 12 January 2025

An important distinction is the difference in construction methods. In much of Europe houses are constructed of brick, stone or concrete with tile roofs. Most houses in the US and Canada are wood frame with vinyl or plywood siding and asphalt shingles. Less often with fire resistant construction.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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RicinYakima posted this 12 January 2025

FD Captain I worked for was married to a Swiss lady whose brother was an architect in Switzerland. There architects are the general contractors for building from new are few when built from scratch, mostly remodeled. Anyway, their standard is the building has to be designed for 500 years! In the US it is 40 years. Stone, brick and reinforced concrete are the basic materials for walls with slate or concrete shingles.

Not going to happen here, as it would at least double the cost of building.

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OU812 posted this 12 January 2025

During the fires my son was on business trip in San Bernardino just a few miles east of Los Angeles. Temps were around 67 degrees and winds were blowing up to 80 miles per hour at times. His flight back to Georgia was delayed several hours until winds subsided. Sana Ana winds I think they are called...some of the worst ever. He could see the smoke in distance and stated it was beautiful there.

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sandwman posted this 13 January 2025

I just read that there are fire crews there from out of state ready to go to work, but California is holding the firetrucks up because they want to make sure they are up to California's emission standards. For example Oregon sent 68 crews/trucks that are sitting unused.

Totally insane and mismanaged government.

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RicinYakima posted this 13 January 2025

This is not true, but disinformation. Cal-Fire only inspects them for being up on maintenance to go to work.

Talked to FF's from SE Washington Response teams that just were sent to staging for assignment.

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rmrix posted this 13 January 2025

Meanwhile, Tired firefighters are doing their best to save lives and protect property without asking about their politics first.

In the fire service we have an expression, "designed by disaster" which directs how agencies, cities and developers get to operate in the future, and yes, I am sure this will be a wake up call for some voters.

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Tom Acheson posted this 13 January 2025

This is a horrible disaster that leaves an outsider wondering just how it could be so callously mismanaged.

As Sandman noted....out-of-state help is being held-up due to concern for "emmission standards". People are more important than emission standards and some fish on the edge of extinction. Environmentalists must be pushed aside, told to shut up and get out of the way, including their professional elitist government class "leaders". People rule, not some groups with a people hating cause.

Tom

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John Alexander posted this 13 January 2025

As Sandman noted....out-of-state help is being held-up due to concern for "emmission standards".

Ric has already debunked that claim in his post.

John

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Tom Acheson posted this 13 January 2025

So is it also untrue that reservoir water is being diverted to the Pacific to protect a fish?

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John Alexander posted this 13 January 2025

It also sounds far fetched, but I don't know. If it came from the internet, who knows?

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RicinYakima posted this 13 January 2025

Partially true. Except the water is from the Klamath River that goes into the Pacific Ocean north of San Francisco with no way to get it to southern California.

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RicinYakima posted this 13 January 2025

Further research shows that there is only one fish diversion in all of southern CA, the Robles Fish Passage. It is used in the spring time to allow steelhead trout to get above the dam.

However the Santa Clara River flows west of Los Angles in Ventura County, closer to Santa Barbara, and is not connected to the Los Angles County water system.

FWIW

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John Alexander posted this 14 January 2025

Thanks Ric,

Always nice to have some facts thrown in to offset the wilder conspiracy theories.

John

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sandwman posted this 15 January 2025

One man's conspiracy theory is another's truth.

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Hornet posted this 15 January 2025

I like "I saw it on the Internet so it must be true".

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Bud Hyett posted this 15 January 2025

First, be doubtful of what you see on the Internet. Once a thought is entered on the Internet, it can be around the World in seconds.

Second, many people quote from a source the same as they believe and then crown the source as the expert.

Third, when there is no immediate answer to a problem, there is usually a multitude of factors creating the problem.

With the California wildfires, the answers will come from thoughtful, rational analysis once the fires are out. Coming from a farm background, water for the livestock, farming operations, crops, and possible fire is the first consideration when buying property. Many people never think first of water. It magically appears at the faucet or hydrant in today's society.

Let's hope the stakeholders will quit pointing fingers at each other and team together finding all sources of the cause and work together to get solutions underway before the Fall wildfires return. Let's also hope that other states take a long look at these findings and work in their own circumstance to see that their fire preparation is more then adequate.

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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Brodie posted this 16 January 2025

Chaparral is a tough cookie. The bushes drop their leaves every year, leading to an eventual build-up that can be a couple of feet deep on the ground. I have e been told by firefighters that the blaze can enter this duff pile and run for hundreds of yards, even a 1/2 mile before popping out to ignite unburned foliage.

The Santa Ana winds are another story, these winds are created by the compression heating of air as it moves down from the mountains in Utah and Colorado. The compression of the air as it moves to lower elevations raises the ambient temperature ( I have been on Catalina Island when the air was 90 degrees F, and the wind blew 80 to 100mph. ) These winds are hot and dry, and removed the moisture from everything including me.

Building in Southern CA with brick and stone is not a good idea, earthquakes are a regular occurrence, and brick and stone do not flex well under those conditions. A friend of my wife's built a home near Yosemite Natl. Park, but he put a tile roof on it with cement siding about as fireproof as you can get a home out there. They need to change the building codes to provide for metal roofs in many areas, most have asphalt shingles. While asphalt shingles are now somewhat fire-resistant, they are better than cedar shakes.

All in all I am very glad that I am out of that damn place.

B.E.Brickey

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OU812 posted this 16 January 2025

Did all insurance companies pull out of this area, or is that another conspiracy theory. How did big insurance see this coming? What did they see most of us didn't? Dry reservoirs etc...

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RicinYakima posted this 16 January 2025

Insurance is still effective today, as Insurance Commissioner has stopped companies from dropping people.

However, will be hell to pay when you try to renew. Homeowners insurance went up 200% to 400% this last year in Eastern Washington because of fires the last 5 years.

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Premod70 posted this 16 January 2025

Strange to me is the whole state of California fronts the Pacific Ocean and to my knowledge the water is not pumped and stored to douse these type fires currently overtaking the available fresh water reservoirs. Seems like an easy fix with all the money being thrown/wasted on current methods of fire fighting.

Forrest Gump is my smarter brother.

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RicinYakima posted this 16 January 2025

I don't think trying to save salt water in reservoirs would be a good idea. Evaporation would be so great the salt percentage would be very high, it is 3.5% now. Rains would/could wash it into agricultural area and kill at the plants.

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Premod70 posted this 16 January 2025

Would desalination plants not be feasible?

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RicinYakima posted this 16 January 2025

Yes they would. Especially if you build a nuclear power plant next to it. Then you could have fresh water, mineral production and electrical power generation all at the same site.

Plus hydrogen production for clean vehicle fuel if you wished.

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Premod70 posted this 17 January 2025

Well one can hope this is a wakeup call for California and they can make a turn and go back to their old ways of being at the forefront of innovation and changes to meet the needs of the greatest civilization this world has seen.

Forrest Gump is my smarter brother.

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