Advice on .222 BR project

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Wm Cook posted this 20 September 2024

It seems like my life is falling back into a normal rhythm again. I’m not holding my breath on the long term sustainably of that, because as you know things can turn South pretty quick.

On that note of cautious optimism I’d like some suggestions on a new project.

I’ve got a short action Savage F10 that has a new .222 Rem Shilen 1 in 8 twist barrel on it that I want to shoot sub MOA aggregates with. Although not competitive it would probably fall into the Heavy Class 100/200 yards.

The only two molds that come to mind are NOE’s 227-79-SP-B5 that John designed and NOE’s 225-72-RN-B1. Both have been out of stock for a while. So I have a couple questions.

Are there any other mold options you would consider besides the two NOE’s that I mentioned?

The BC of the 227-79-SP-B5 has benefits at 200 yards but since the free-bore on the Savage is a tight .224 I’m concerned about sizing down the .227 so far. Maybe if I sized it down in steps it would help.

I’ll be using Linotype bottom pour. Thanks, Bill C.

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Tom Acheson posted this 20 September 2024

Wm,

I have a .22 BR, a modified 6 BR case, probably different than your parent case.

I too use the NOE 227-79 mold. I size the base bands at 0.225". I have to size the noses to 0.218", 0.219" is too large to enter the Lilja bore. I use 25:1 alloy, ladle pour.

If I do my part, it shoots good @ 200 but that's the challenge. So far I have not searched for a different mold.

Tom

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Ross Smith posted this 20 September 2024

Tom: What velocity are you pushing that bullet.  Apologies for hijacking the oriiginal post.

Ross

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Wm Cook posted this 20 September 2024

No problem, still a good question. I shot a jacketed 22PPC once upon a time. Looking forward to Tom’s answer. And what powder Tom’s running? I think in John A’s .223 he was running the Mos 225 ~1450. Thanks, Bill C.

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John Alexander posted this 20 September 2024

I'm had the NOE 79 grain bullet working well enough to take to matches, mostly with Savage rifles, with lino at 1,900 to25:1 at 1450.  

I haven't looked yet but believe I was using Blue Dot for the lino load.  I couldn't tell the difference between TiteGroup, 700X, Accurate #2, or 4756. for the 25:1 load.

John

 

 

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Tom Acheson posted this 20 September 2024

Powders so far are almost like John's....best so far but no longer in production is 4756. But also messed with Tite Group, IMR 4227, WST, 300MP, old WW 680.

Chrono (only 2) loads....

6.5 Tite Group (10) 1528 Es 50 Sd 13.0

8.5 4756  (14) avg. 1629 Es 29  Sd 7.7

Small charges of powders like Tite Group....caution....do not rely on visual inspection of charged cases. Turn down a small dowel. Mark it with depth in the case of the powder level and use it like a dipstick to check the powder level in EVERY case.

Tom

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OU812 posted this 21 September 2024

When using linotype the only way I could get descent grouping was by bumping the bullets long boreride section more round and pushing velocity using older imr4198. Soft alloys also grouped better after precise bumping. I can send you some samples of three different bullets (soft 10bhn) that I think will shoot OK without bumping. Two of these are noe bullets, one is Alexander design with shorter gas check shank. The other one is a LBT 62 grain than shoots surprisingly well in my worn throat Remington.

 

BTW my 1/12 twist remington always shot better han my 1/9 twist shillen remington using bullets above.

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Tom Acheson posted this 21 September 2024

Brief follow-up...

My gun is a Remington XP-100 bolt action single shot "handgun", not quite a rifle. 7-pound weight limit and 15" barrel length limit.

The Lija barrel is an 8" twist, 3-groove, chrome moly.

Tom

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Wm Cook posted this 21 September 2024

This would be a good Winter project. Gives me time to sort out the bullet to bore and velocities.

Keith tried to help me out last December with replicating his nose bumping with the Lee flaring die and I even started gathering material and drill bits when I was redirected with family health issues. At the time I was looking at bumping a .308 bullet. There are a couple threads covering his methods on the forum. It’d make a great article for the fouling shot with a little more added detail.

I keep looking at my Wilson sizing, seating dies and think they could be used.

I’m talking to myself here when I say that before anything starts I need a mold or some unsized samples of the 79g Alexander and the 225-72-RN.

Al hasn’t cut any .22’s for a while. Maybe I’ll give him a call on Monday and ask about his schedule.

From what Tom & John say the powder options seem to be good. I’m a bit surprised that N110 hasn’t come up. I shot just a few ounces under a pound of that in the last two weeks and just about wrapped up my SR v LR / .308 project. Thanks for the support, Bill C.

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John Alexander posted this 21 September 2024

In the 80s i had pretty good luck with a 62 grain bullet that Walt Melander of NEI made for me from my drawing. (There were no other really long 22 bullet molds available at the time.) It is a near clone of the NOE bullet.

The bullet wouldn't stabilize in the almost universal 14" twist in factory rifles at that time..  But it stabilized (just barely with a lot of oblong holes making near 1moa groups) in my Ruger #1 with a 10.7" twist that Ruger claimed was 10" at the time.

I think I probably have a  surplus mold for that design I will look in my stash if it is of interest.

John

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Wm Cook posted this 21 September 2024

John that would be great, but hold off until you get up and around. Hope you’re hip is healing. I finally got out to the range two weeks ago. First time since last fall. Yep, I was rusty but the cob webs got dusted off. Thoughts are with you to get back out shooting sooner than later. Bill.

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Tom Acheson posted this 21 September 2024

Need to note that I had a bump die for my .30 cal. rounds. The best round ever in the XP was a 30 PPC. My 308 Savage only shoots well when I bump the bullets. 

When getting into the .22 BR, I dismantled the bump press and replaced the bump die with a nose sizing die for the .22 BR. Godd friend Jack Harrison made the nose sizing die for me.

Tom

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OU812 posted this 28 September 2024

Tom. I enjoyed reading your article in the latest Fouling Shot magazine

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Tom Acheson posted this 29 September 2024

OU812,

Thanks!

Haven't seen it yet.

 

Tom

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Wm Cook posted this 29 September 2024

Congratulations on the article Tom.  It reads just a like a BR shooter / wildcatter would write it.  Bill C.

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OU812 posted this 29 September 2024

Tom, I have the digital online subscription only. It came out today.

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