I would like to load for a 30-06 with a plain base bullet. My Rem 40XB shoots well with Lee 200gr gas checked bullets with 15 gr 4759 at about 1500 fps. Most of the time I can get under 1 in. groups. I have an NEI 180 gr. plain base mold but I am not sure where to start. Can anyone recommend a powder and a velocity that I can start with for plain base bullets.
Thank You Glenn
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.22 backstop lead is about 3% Sb and with 1% tin will be about 10 BHN, OK to about 1200 fps with bullets that fit. In my '03A3 7.2 grs. of Bullseye shoots fine at 200 yards using 600 yard sight dope for ball ammo.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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Glenn, I have shot a bunch of plain base bullets in 30-30 with fixed ammo, 32-40 in fixed ammo, and plain base breech seated in two different 32-40 single shots all with 14.0 gr. of IMR-4227. Given that the 06 case has a larger capacity I am certain you can start there and work up to where ever accuracy is best or you start to get leading.
Duke
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I have had good luck in the '06 for 200-yard shooting in the Springfield using 155-200 grain bullets with either 7.2 grs. of Bullseye, 8 grs. of W231 or 12 grs. of #2400.
All approximate the M1909 gallery practice load.
Important is to use soft alloy, well lubricated, with a bullet which “fits” properly. If your 40X has a 12” twist I would lean towards the lighter bullets. These loads are in the subsonic range and will shoot “on” at 200 yards with your normal 600 yard sight dope.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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Some of the faster pistol powders can get you close, but there is another route I personally prefer. I use IMR4831SC with bullets 175 and up in the 30-06 with gas checked bullets With BPI original Ballistic filler and also Dacron Polyester filler to control ignition with the low pressure slow powder. It works for me at low velocity and up to about 2,150 fps.
I also have the new Lee 230 gr boat tail spire mold designed to be fired with or without gas checks. It is promising and is getting reports of superb accuracy subsonic in a number of cartridges. It casts 221 gr for me in #2 alloy and I will also cast some in pure lead for subsonic in 7.62 X 39 I have test loads ready to go.
This is an inexpensive Lee mold with a great new option - a plain base boat tail or a gas check. It drops .3125” in #2 alloy for me and can be sized 30-31 cal. applications.
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/938614/lee-2-cavity-bullet-mold-tl309-230-5r-30-caliber-309-diameter-230-grain-300-aac-blackout-tumble-lube-5-ogive-radius>http://www.midwayusa.com/product/938614/lee-2-cavity-bullet-mold-tl309-230-5r-30-caliber-309-diameter-230-grain-300-aac-blackout-tumble-lube-5-ogive-radius
get one when they are back in stock!!
Gary
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If you don't what is the nose diameter of that new Lee bullet?
Thanks
Richard
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My nose diameter measures .302” with current batch in #2 alloy. I expect .300- .301” in pure lead when I try that.
Unfortunately, my club range is closed for “No Blue Sky” remodeling.
Gary
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Interesting looking bullet, I have a mold on back order. Will be interesting to try in 7.62x39 as well as my tight-bore .303 British and Finn M39.
Would prefer a wee bit larger nose, but .302 will work in several of my barrels. Maybe I will get lucky. Curious to see how it will do in 03A4 Springfield with 2-groove Remington barrel and about 12 grs. of #2400....
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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Ed. Please define “soft alloy” for me. I have very little experience with 30 cal plain base bulled, but would like to try it some day. I have some neat old molds hanging out here in the shop somewhere.
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Ed. Please define “soft alloy” for me. I have very little experience with 30 cal plain base bulled, but would like to try it some day. I have some neat old molds hanging out here in the shop somewhere.
For plainbase bullets use 8-10 BHN, 1:25 tin/lead or 1 part linotype to four parts of plumber's lead.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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If you don't what is the nose diameter of that new Lee bullet?
Thanks
Richard
WW + tin it measures 0.296 on mine. 219gr. bummer.
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Yikes, that's the problem with Lee's stuff or Lyman pretty much a luck of the draw. I could live with a .302 nose but not any smaller.
Thanks TRK
RB
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I'll try (someday) a richer-in-lead alloy as well as to try opening up the mould. A good fitting mold is PRICELESS.
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Ed. Please define “soft alloy” for me. I have very little experience with 30 cal plain base bulled, but would like to try it some day. I have some neat old molds hanging out here in the shop somewhere.
For plainbase bullets use 8-10 BHN, 1:25 tin/lead or 1 part linotype to four parts of plumber's lead.
Thank you...that is what I needed. I have alloy here, that will do the job.
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Ed. Please define “soft alloy” for me. I have very little experience with 30 cal plain base bulled, but would like to try it some day. I have some neat old molds hanging out here in the shop somewhere.
For plainbase bullets use 8-10 BHN, 1:25 tin/lead or 1 part linotype to four parts of plumber's lead.
Thank you...that is what I needed. I have alloy here, that will do the job.
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Some of the faster pistol powders can get you close, but there is another route I personally prefer. I use IMR4831SC with bullets 175 and up in the 30-06 with gas checked bullets With BPI original Ballistic filler and also Dacron Polyester filler to control ignition with the low pressure slow powder. It works for me at low velocity and up to about 2,150 fps.
I also have the new Lee 230 gr boat tail spire mold designed to be fired with or without gas checks. It is promising and is getting reports of superb accuracy subsonic in a number of cartridges. It casts 221 gr for me in #2 alloy and I will also cast some in pure lead for subsonic in 7.62 X 39 I have test loads ready to go.
This is an inexpensive Lee mold with a great new option - a plain base boat tail or a gas check. It drops .3125” in #2 alloy for me and can be sized 30-31 cal. applications.
http://s30.photobucket.com/user/rhymeswithwhat/media/Leewhisper.jpg.html>http://www.midwayusa.com/product/938614/lee-2-cavity-bullet-mold-tl309-230-5r-30-caliber-309-diameter-230-grain-300-aac-blackout-tumble-lube-5-ogive-radius>http://www.midwayusa.com/product/938614/lee-2-cavity-bullet-mold-tl309-230-5r-30-caliber-309-diameter-230-grain-300-aac-blackout-tumble-lube-5-ogive-radius
get one when they are back in stock!!
Gary
Gary, That is a really cool & deadly looking bullet! Pat
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Pat, Thanks. Actually, I'm hoping it will work well subsonic for squirrels and shoot better than the 90 gr SWC I'm shooting out of my 7.62X39 single shot at 1160 fps for squirrel. It doesn't have to be real deadly for squirrel heads, just group well!
Gary
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I almost ordered one, but got to thinking...what will a boat tail do for me at these velocities? Now if we could really get it rolling the higher BC from the boat tail would matter at longer ranges or windy conditions. Still, it's a cool design. What is the point of the BT, other than it's sexy?
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You can get the velocity if you cast in straight Linotype, but bullet fit becomes more critical the harder the alloy is because you will not be able to count on any obturation with Linotype, but you will be able to take advantage of the higher B.C. with Linotype.. Your sweet spot of accuracy will be narrower with Linotype also and will require load laddering at long range to really find it...but that is fun.
It will be a fine line between the boat tail and linotype compared to a gas check and #2 alloy but you may surpass with Linotype depending on your bore condition. Linotype does best in highly polished bores.
However shooting long ogive Linotype bullets on game animals is like shooting FMJ's, they don't expand at all and just pierce. Not a good big game hunting bullet except for squirrels like I want!
Gary
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You can get the velocity if you cast in straight Linotype, but bullet fit becomes more critical the harder the alloy is because you will not be able to count on any obturation with Linotype, but you will be able to take advantage of the higher B.C. with Linotype.. Your sweet spot of accuracy will be narrower with Linotype also and will require load laddering at long range to really find it...but that is fun.
It will be a fine line between the boat tail and linotype compared to a gas check and #2 alloy but you may surpass with Linotype depending on your bore condition. Linotype does best in highly polished bores.
However shooting long ogive Linotype bullets on game animals is like shooting FMJ's, they don't expand at all and just pierce. Not a good big game hunting bullet except for squirrels like I want!
Gary
Gary, rather than cast from straight lino, have you had any luck with heat treating?
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I've had particularly poor results heat treating anything harder than Linotype. Lino is brittle as it is and harder is worse for me. The problems even include bullets fragmenting in the barrel, rifling shaving bullets to gas jet. The high tin in Lino maintains less than marginal ductility in bullets and hardening an alloy with less tin makes it even more brittle. For me, hardening higher than Lino has always equaled garbo. (yes , garbage)
Lyman figured this out over 100 years ago so it really is old news.
Gary
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