Hi, I just got this Browing 1885 Hi Wall in 40-65 wondering if I can use smokeless powder in it? Thanks Walt
1885 browing hi wall
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yes sir you can. will hold about any reasonable load you want. m
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thanks for the reply I was wondering because my owners manual states 40-65 black powder only but in a 45-70 you can use smokeless. Walt
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18 grs 4759 and sheet of tp, saeco 640 and 740 bullets. for 40-65
works in my browning and has simular velocity to black. I believe Forest Amus uses the same.
jim wilcox
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21grs IMR4227- 640 saeco cast in 20/1 Works extremely well in mine
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Welcome aboard new guys. I'm planning to do the opposite, use BP in my H&R single shot .444. Funny huh? We always want something else than what we have.
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I belive BP in 444 is what Forest Amus calls a 44-63
Jim Wilcox
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I read somewhere that the reason for Brownings warning was no SAAMI spec for 40-65. Apparently the cartridge predated SAAMI.
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Used trail boss in mine(browning 1885 40-65.) .409 420g spitzer Bufflo arms bullet mold (bullet cast at 414g-419g) lubed with matthews #1. Per IMR load cartage complety full, say it took 70g then times by .9 (90%) equels 63g this is max load. The real amount of powder is going to be much less. This is just a number to work with. At work so dont have loading data. Then work up load from there. Works very well don't have any photos of groups but shot 1 MOA at 100 yards.
Rich L (richidaho)
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I'll trade you a 45-70 Browning BPCR that you can use smokeless in for your 40-65. Jack
Jack
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I recently “accumulated” a like-new Browning BPCR in .40-65 as a partner to my Greener Martini MkI re-barreled to .40-65. I am trying a “duplex” load of 5 grains of SR4759 under 48 grains of WC860 and the Redding 300 grain SPFB bullet. I have shot the WC860 loads in the past without the duplex “kicker” but had a lot of unburned powder left in the chamber. My hope is black powder velocities and accuracy without having to clean the brass and barrel.
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I've tried similar loads with a 45-70 and a .444 Marlin H&R. My inspiration was Paul Matthew's book “40 yrs. with the 45-70". In it he uses surplus 4831.
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I shot with Paul for a number of years, spotted for him when he set the Pig record which has since been broken...4831, the stuff he bought in a paper bag, is the reason Paul shot right handed, left eyed
seems an old Rolling Block come apart...at least that is the way it was related to me
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Wow, my WC860/Sr4759 duplex loads were better than expected. So good in fact that I went home and loaded another 25 with 3.5 grains of SR4759 and .44 grains of WC860 under a 370 grain .408 diameter slug. These were even more accurate than the others. Clean burn, little or no unburned powder in the bore. I am getting the same accuracy and point of impact as using 62 grains of Goex FFg and 3/16” compression but without the case and bore cleaning. Lucky for me I have about 32+ pounds of WC860 to play with. I can see these are going to be my “go-to” loads with the Browning .40-65BPCR for the foreseeable future.
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