SR 4759 Discontinued?

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gpb posted this 02 January 2014

This may have been covered, I did a quick search and could not find a discussion on this. I understand that Hodgdon is discontinuing SR 4759 and several other powders. My major concern is with SR 4759. I have had good success with it in 30-06 and 311299 cast bullets. Does anyone have any recommendations for a powder that is similar to SR 4759?  

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Tom Acheson posted this 02 January 2014

Several shooters in our area have had good results with SR 4756, in the CBA Military Rifle BR event, chambered in .30-06.

Check the CBA bi-monthly publication, the Fouling Shot. in the match results section and you'll see shooters using AA 5744 and 2400, and some other powders.

Tom

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gpb posted this 02 January 2014

Thanks

Unfortunately, I believe that SR 4756 has also been discontinued.

H4227 and IMR4227 are listed as being close to SR4759 in burning rate. I've found some IMR4227 to try.

I haven't seen any 2400 for almost a year now. I don't know about AA 5744. I've never seen it or looked for it. I'll have to see if I can find a relative burn rate to give me an idea on it.

I have enough SR4759 to last a while. I just wanted to start looking for an alternative before I was out.

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R. Dupraz posted this 02 January 2014

IMR 4227 has worked very well for me with cast bullets in a variety of calibers.

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gnoahhh posted this 02 January 2014

So, is it an established fact that 4759 is being discontinued, or just a hot internet rumor? I sent an email to them but got no reply.

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RicinYakima posted this 02 January 2014

Either hot rumor, B.S., or the military is stocking up on grenade launching rounds. We will know in four or five years if it is true, or production is going off-shore, etc., etc.,

For gas-checked bullets the replacement could be Accurate 5744 and for plain based I would try 4227 (since it all comes from Australia now, it doesn't matter) or one of the slow uncoated shotgun powders.

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LWesthoff posted this 02 January 2014

In my issue '03-A3, I've had very good results with 28 gr. Varget behind the 311299 bullet. I use it for my 200 yd. load, and if I do my part it will often give me a 1st place. (As you might guess, I don't always manage to do my part.)

Hope this helps.

Wes

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Ed Harris posted this 02 January 2014

I have been using #2400 in place of 4759 since it was discontinued the first time, back in the 1970s.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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RicinYakima posted this 02 January 2014

Around here, 2400 is harder to find than any of the SR powders. Cabela's has all the SR4759 you want to buy.

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CB posted this 02 January 2014

I don't understand why Hodgdons will neither confirm nor deny the information. Their silence leads me to believe it to be true, or perhaps they're simply reviewing the situation.

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rockquarry posted this 03 January 2014

I've had considerable success using IMR4759 with cast rifle loads for years but have found IMR4198 and 5744 do as well from accuracy and velocity perspectives with several cartridges.

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Harp posted this 03 January 2014

Hope it's not going away. It works in 3006, 4570 and 308. Tried 5744, but not quite as good as SR 4759.

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Chargar posted this 03 January 2014

4759,2400 and 4227 are very close in charge weight and application for cast bullet shooting. I would be happen with any of the three.

I still have a good supply of both 4759 and 2400 in my shop at this time.

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highstandard40 posted this 03 January 2014

Powder Valley shows to have SR 4759 in stock......1 pound canisters, no 8 pounders. Might want to orders some.

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Webley posted this 03 January 2014

RicinYakima wrote: Around here, 2400 is harder to find than any of the SR powders. Cabela's has all the SR4759 you want to buy.  

I popped into Kesselring's near Burlington today, and they had a 8# keg of 2400. It was the first 2400 that I have seen in some time.   Needless to say, I bought it. ;)

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RicinYakima posted this 04 January 2014

Glad you did, I still have 5/6 years worth of 2400, but on the look-out. Kesselring's used to supply all the independent guns shops in Eastern WA after Cheney Sports went out of business. Of the few left over here, they buy from the internet suppliers, so hope Kesselring's stays in business.

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rockquarry posted this 06 January 2014

Powder Valley Supply shows to have 4759 in stock right now, 1 lb. & 8 lbs.

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RicinYakima posted this 16 January 2014

All SR powders are history.

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MKastning posted this 16 January 2014

Powder Valley is down to only 1 lb containers now.

I only know of where a few of the bottles ended up.

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RicinYakima posted this 20 January 2014

I'm back from the SHOT show in Las Vegas, and all powders that Hodgdon imported from Canada are gone: SR 4759, SR 4756, SR 7625, and PB. Only powders from Australia and Florida will be sold to the public. Reloaders are less than 1% of business and since the military is not using SR 4759 anymore, it is gone. Ric

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mckg posted this 20 January 2014

RicinYakima wrote: I'm back from the SHOT show in Las Vegas, and all powders that Hodgdon imported from Canada are gone: SR 4759, SR 4756, SR 7625, and PB. Only powders from Australia and Florida will be sold to the public. Reloaders are less than 1% of business and since the military is not using SR 4759 anymore, it is gone. RicHow will this affect the IMR and Hi-Skor lines?

I see that IMR4227 and IMR4198 already have ADI “equivalents", which means “real products". http://www.imrpowder.com/msds.html>http://www.imrpowder.com/msds.html

Are they shutting down the Canadian plant?

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RicinYakima posted this 20 January 2014

I don't think they own the Canadian plant, just purchased it from that facility. The IMR line is expanding to some new powders, but I didn't write any of it down as it is for AR-type and Mangle-em Magnum cartridges. They are doing the change over to double-based ball powders, so I think in 20 years there will not be any single based powders. When I asked why, he replied “Only you and five other guys in the US ever bought any of that stuff in the last five years.” The guy also said he had never heard of the “CBA” and didn't know anyone was loading “Mid-Range” or “Gallery” rifle ammo. There price for SR powders would be $25 for a new batch and that would make retail over $50 a pound.

Hi-Skor, I believer, is made at the St. Marks, FL, plant and should be safe for a while, plus shotgunners buy lots of powder.

FWIW, Ric

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mckg posted this 20 January 2014

Thanks Ric. That was a pretty cocky and ignorant attitude you got from that rep... he must have been trained around here eh...

Hodgdon purchased IMR in 2003 and, for example, terminated the production of IMR4227 and replaced it with H4227 in IMR's jugs. I think they are doing the same with 4198 now.

I found some pictures of Hi-Skor and PB powders in the typical Hodgdon jug saying “Manufactured in CDA, packaged in USA". My 700X was repackaged by a wholesale distributor some 8 years ago and says Mfg in Canada.

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RicinYakima posted this 20 January 2014

It is the same with 22 LR's; Remington is making 4 million rounds a day and CCI is making 10 million rounds a day. Both swear they are sending it to their distributers, and don't know who is storing it all. Eventually people will quit paying $45 a brick of 500, and it will all come out. Primers in Las Vegas were $29 a thousand. Ric

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OU812 posted this 15 July 2014

Today I shot my best group using 24grs. 4759 and 160gr Lee Harris design bullet. Bullets were sized .311 to fit throat of Remington 700 308 caliber. The center group in picture are  2 fowling shots before shooting 10 shot groups with each load. Velocity is about 2000fps for each 4759, n133, Varget, 2400   I cleaned barrel detween each group fired

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OU812 posted this 16 July 2014

My Remington has a larger than minimum SAAMI spec chamber. Its more like the larger 7.62 NATO dimensions with longer .150 lead and a diameter of .3115. I sized my bullets to .311 and seated long so that bullet is shoved deep into rifling when chambered. After sizing I hand dipped bullets in liquid Alox, then set bullets on their bases, on wax paper to dry overnight. I flared cases very slightly with Lyman M die (short version) then seated bullets using NO CRIMP. Choose a seater that does not size down bullet smaller when seating bullet. I use the Hornaday inline 308 seater.

Scope Mirage (blurry image) gets pretty bad after about Ten shots when barrel gets hot. This may have contributed to remaining larger groups. The 4759 load was the first group fired when barrel was cooler.

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M3 Mitch posted this 30 October 2015

RicinYakima wrote: I'm back from the SHOT show in Las Vegas, and all powders that Hodgdon imported from Canada are gone: SR 4759, SR 4756, SR 7625, and PB. Only powders from Australia and Florida will be sold to the public. Reloaders are less than 1% of business and since the military is not using SR 4759 anymore, it is gone. Ric Ric,

The way you put it here, the Canadian plant still exists, and I guess is still making the powders you list, but Hodgdon is just quitting importing them. 

Leaves the question, could someone else set up and import them?

Although, if Hodgdon was making money on them, they wouldn't have dropped them, it would be hard to build a business case for how a different importer will make money if Hodgdon didn't.

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RicinYakima posted this 31 October 2015

Oh, the plant exists, but isn't making those powders because of manufacturing cost. My guess is that they are converting to double based powders, but do not know that for sure. St Marks in Florida can make double based powders for much less than the single based powders.

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